The Conservative Leadership Race (who's running, and who's supporting who)

challengerX · July 04, 2016, 10:31:45 AM

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Mordo · July 04, 2016, 11:06:47 AM

Theresa May now has the support of like 100 MPs.

Flee · July 05, 2016, 04:50:49 AM

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BaconShelf · July 05, 2016, 05:32:51 AM

Apparently Farage has stepped down saying he wants his life back.

Fucking lol.

Flee · July 05, 2016, 06:18:20 AM

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Genghis Khan · July 05, 2016, 06:40:52 AM

There wasn't anything Farage could have done else, he wasn't in government.

Mordo · July 05, 2016, 09:25:38 AM

Quote from: Flee on July 05, 2016, 04:50:49 AM

I mean, there's a reason this was completely non-binding from the very start. The referendum is intended to be nothing but an advisory tool for the British government and parliament to base their next actions on.

Yes, thank you again for reminding us all what was already firmly established several months ago. Your unnecessarily lengthy infantilizing paragraphs are always appreciated.

Point is, it would be political suicide to just shut the door on a clear and decisive democratic verdict. People would ultimately view the democratic process in this country as a futile effort. Was the referendum close? Yes. Do people reserve the right to be frustrated? Yes. Are they entitled to protest against something they did not vote for? Absolutely. Is it their prerogative however, to block a clear and resounding majority vote, however small it might be, just because a select amount of people are personally upset? No.

You're correct. We might not be a 'pure' democracy, but we certainly do respect majority verdicts of the people in this country. If these people wanted an alternative result they desperately desire so much, perhaps they should've argued with a tad more decorum that Remain certainly did not display throughout this process. Perhaps the youth demographic should've been engaged more, and convinced their apathetic peers to take more interest. There's lots of potential scenarios we could be hand-wringing about, and you can just as easily apply the "well it's only a 4% variance, let's pursue Brexit anyway" argument if the results had been reversed. But what happened happened, and we need to move forward in a constructive and professional manner that respects and appeases how 48% of the country voted, yet also provides what 52% of them voted for. What we don't need is an irresolute government, and immature attempts at hindering a majority vote like you seem to be suggesting. It's not going to happen, sorry.

Mordo · July 05, 2016, 10:06:35 AM

Also, it was never the Leave campaign's responsibility to guide the country after a Brexit, it was the government's job. Their main objective was to convince the British people to vote leave, and they completed it. The fact that Westminster didn't even have a Brexit contingency plan exemplifies their incompetency as a government. It does not reflect the Leave campaign's capacity to do a job that was not even within their realms to begin with.

The unnecessary finger pointing at Leave needs to stop. Remain is just as culpable of spewing misinformation as Leave is.

Flee · July 05, 2016, 06:43:48 PM

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More Than Mortal · July 05, 2016, 09:08:05 PM

Crabb is out.

Flee · July 06, 2016, 04:09:17 AM

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big dog · July 06, 2016, 04:13:15 AM

I don't like any of these candidates tbh.

More Than Mortal · July 06, 2016, 08:03:03 AM

Quote from: Flee on July 06, 2016, 04:09:17 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 05, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Crabb is out.
Fox too. Looks like May will take it. Not sure how I feel about that.

Who do you support now?

I'm supporting May now. She was a 'quiet' Remainer, and I think she has what it takes to negotiate with a degree of strength. I'm not entirely convinced with her record, but anybody who can survive being in the Home Office that long isn't stupid, and I'd much rather have May sitting in Whitehall that either Leadsom or Gove.

Flee · July 06, 2016, 08:07:18 AM

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More Than Mortal · July 06, 2016, 08:07:47 AM

Don't bank on May getting it, though. Very few times over past leadership election cycles for the Tories has the first-round frontrunner actually won. May might take it, simply due to the political climate right now, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Flee · July 06, 2016, 11:24:51 AM

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Genghis Khan · July 06, 2016, 12:13:35 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 06, 2016, 08:03:03 AM

Quote from: Flee on July 06, 2016, 04:09:17 AM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 05, 2016, 09:08:05 PM
Crabb is out.
Fox too. Looks like May will take it. Not sure how I feel about that.

Who do you support now?
I'm supporting May now. She was a 'quiet' Remainer, and I think she has what it takes to negotiate with a degree of strength. I'm not entirely convinced with her record, but anybody who can survive being in the Home Office that long isn't stupid, and I'd much rather have May sitting in Whitehall that either Leadsom or Gove.

You're not worried she's not going to lead the UK out of the EU?

More Than Mortal · July 06, 2016, 12:24:47 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 06, 2016, 12:13:35 PM

You're not worried she's not going to lead the UK out of the EU?

No. She stayed quiet during the debate, no doubt to give her the edge in positioning herself as a neutral candidate who could lead the country regardless of the referendum result. May's position is unique in that she can, I think, be trusted to carry out Brexit while commanding support from Remainers.