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If you think it's impossible for humanity to progress at a rate fast enough to automate the majority of jobs way before a thousand years time
a thousand years
Nope.

Compare 100 years ago to today and we're going at a pace that's almost unprecedented.
And again, it will slow down. How hard is that to understand? Even Moore's Law is expected to die in a few decades.
The death of Moore's law doesn't mean the death of exponential increases in processing power.
Only initially. Eventually it'll decrease.
Dunno bout that mang.


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If you think it's impossible for humanity to progress at a rate fast enough to automate the majority of jobs way before a thousand years time
a thousand years
Nope.

Compare 100 years ago to today and we're going at a pace that's almost unprecedented.
And again, it will slow down. How hard is that to understand? Even Moore's Law is expected to die in a few decades.
The death of Moore's law doesn't mean the death of exponential increases in processing power.
Only initially. Eventually it'll decrease.
Dunno bout that mang.
Once you get to quantum computing, there's not much more you can do to fit more transistors onto a chip.
Miniaturizing transistors isn't the only way to increase computing power. Software optimization is much more important.


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My stupidity is self evident.
If you think it's impossible for humanity to progress at a rate fast enough to automate the majority of jobs way before a thousand years time
a thousand years
Nope.

Compare 100 years ago to today and we're going at a pace that's almost unprecedented.
And again, it will slow down. How hard is that to understand? Even Moore's Law is expected to die in a few decades.
The death of Moore's law doesn't mean the death of exponential increases in processing power.
Only initially. Eventually it'll decrease.
Dunno bout that mang.
Once you get to quantum computing, there's not much more you can do to fit more transistors onto a chip.
Miniaturizing transistors isn't the only way to increase computing power. Software optimization is much more important.
That and quantum computing has less to do w/ more brute computational power and more to do w/ doing computations that are impossible for classical computers no matter how much computational power they have.


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I'm still waiting for him to demonstrate how China is communist by either Marx and Engel's measures or by the Oxford English Dictionary's.

He's failed on both counts, thus far.
You have the elimination of differing political parties with the establishment of a single party to which everybody is part of, thus eliminating the concept of class war. In 2007, the Property Law of the People's Republic of China was passed which essentially created three differing forms of property:  state, collective, and private. State is pretty simple as it's the pubic/government control and because essentially all people belong to the Communist Party and the C.P controls the government, therefore all people have access to this land. Collective is the concept of people working the land together under the guidance of the government, thus making it public land. Private is a tad different as it grants some private property. HOWEVER, this law does not overrule the system of land tenure where the government still has control over all land (remember, the government=people, making it all public) "Each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs" is simple as 1+1=2; China is a manufacturing and agricultural society so people are essentially split between those two fields of work and paid


 
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You have the elimination of differing political parties with the establishment of a single party to which everybody is part of, thus eliminating the concept of class war.
Considering it actually established a new political class, and hasn't established a vanguard state, you'd be hard-pressed to find a communist who agreed with that.

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In 2007, the Property Law of the People's Republic of China was passed which essentially created three differing forms of property:  state, collective, and private. State is pretty simple as it's the pubic/government control and because essentially all people belong to the Communist Party and the C.P controls the government, therefore all people have access to this land. Collective is the concept of people working the land together under the guidance of the government, thus making it public land. Private is a tad different as it grants some private property. HOWEVER, this law does not overrule the system of land tenure where the government still has control over all land (remember, the government=people, making it all public)

Well, no. The government doesn't equal the people, and the very existence of private property goes, quite clearly, against any formulation of communism. Again, I'd like to direct your attention to the fact that China doesn't even claim to be communist instead calling itself market socialist and having done so since the reforms of Deng Xiaoping.

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"Each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs" is simple as 1+1=2; China is a manufacturing and agricultural society so people are essentially split between those two fields of work and paid
And this is where the Oxford Dictionary is wrong. While it can get quite confusing, since Marx never explicitly referred to "socialism" - instead naming it, I think, lower communism - but communism proper has no wages by virtue of having no money.

However, the reason the economy is state capitalist and not, in fact, socialist or communist is because the state acts, almost, like a private enterprise in its economic activity by virtue of operating within a model centered around the accumulation of capital. The fact that China isn't based around a production-for-use model is all that's really needed to throw the idea that China is socialist into the trash.


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Meta, would you still disagree with Kinder if you made the distinction between political communism and theoretical communism?
It's an inconsequential distinction to make. Political communism, at least when it comes to China, can only stretch insofar as China's government is nominally communist.

I don't care what the Chinese government claims to be aiming for, I care about what they do, and why wouldn't anyone else? Communism is an entire socioeconomic system, you can't force the distinction when, by not aspiring to the "theoretical" version, you aren't communist in any meaningful way.


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China is Communist


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China is Communist
WAR IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.


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China is Communist


 
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Okay,  Kinder. I'm not going to push the point further. You believe whatever you want about the Chinese government.


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Okay,  Kinder. I'm not going to push the point further. You believe whatever you want about the Chinese government.
God damn it's so fucking easy to get your dick in a knot. I know China isn't Communist, but thanks for giving me a good laugh and a ride


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Okay,  Kinder. I'm not going to push the point further. You believe whatever you want about the Chinese government.
God damn it's so fucking easy to get your dick in a knot. I know China isn't Communist, but thanks for giving me a good laugh and a ride


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Okay,  Kinder. I'm not going to push the point further. You believe whatever you want about the Chinese government.
God damn it's so fucking easy to get your dick in a knot. I know China isn't Communist, but thanks for giving me a good laugh and a ride

Why did you post a picture of yourself?


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
After I've quite expliclty stated I don't care anymore, why do you feel the need to try and expose yourself as le rusemaster? It just looks like you're engaging in some serious damage control and nobody will believe you, and you're just further destroying your own reputation.

Even if I take you at face value, it's still incredibly asinine and juvenile to try and rustle some jimmies by adopted a blatantly false idea. Especially since you didn't anger me. It doesn't make you look smart, just quite pathetic.

Other than that, I have nothing more to say. This really is a non-issue to me now.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Okay,  Kinder. I'm not going to push the point further. You believe whatever you want about the Chinese government.
God damn it's so fucking easy to get your dick in a knot. I know China isn't Communist, but thanks for giving me a good laugh and a ride
THIS FUCKING DAMAGE CONTROL OH MY FUCKING ALLAH
>dat faggotry


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After I've quite expliclty stated I don't care anymore, why do you feel the need to try and expose yourself as le rusemaster? It just looks like you're engaging in some serious damage control and nobody will believe you, and you're just further destroying your own reputation.

Even if I take you at face value, it's still incredibly asinine and juvenile to try and rustle some jimmies by adopted a blatantly false idea. Especially since you didn't anger me. It doesn't make you look smart, just quite pathetic.

Other than that, I have nothing more to say. This really is a non-issue to me now.
But Meta, if you don't care anymore then why did you respond?

Funny how you throw juvenile and pathetic around when you are yourself. Talk about narcissism


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I care just enough to try and help you see how yoir behaviour currently looks to us.

What I don't care about is the discussion about whether China is communist, or whether or not you really were trying to tug on my cock.

The first sort of care is dissipating really fast, though.


 
 
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The space gorilla is displeased he has once again had to stop his work for more stupidity.

Play nice bananas.

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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If China is communist, then they're definitely doing something right to increase their GDP by 10% every year.
It's largely to be expected and somewhat unsustainable. It masks a very high level of internal debt and the instability of the Chinese political system.

That said, the only reason it's been able to modernise is through entering the market.