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China is communist.
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"Leftist countries like China"

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was the the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ok, time for some facts because I just lost a shit ton of brain cells listening to that dude without any testicles.

http://water.epa.gov/aboutow/owow/waterqualityfacts.cfm
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About 44% of assessed stream miles, 64% of assessed lake acres, and 30% of assessed bay and estuarine square miles are not clean enough to support uses such as fishing and swimming.

A recent study of the nation's streams found that only 28% have healthy biological communities compared to best possible conditions in their region

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More than 147.6 million people—47 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe, an increase from last year's report. Despite that risk, some seek to weaken the Clean Air Act, the public health law that has driven the cuts in pollution since 1970.

http://www.saveamericasforests.org/crisis.htm
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>missing the point

Compare what's going on today in America to that of past America. Water is more cleaner, more trees are being planted, and animal populations have increased in America. Now compare America to China and you will see that America has cleaner air, water, etc, etc than China

There's literally no refuting that America has cleaned up it's act and if you actually think America was better in the past then just lol
Why are we comparing America to China in the first place? It's a fascist shithole run by a dictator. America is democratic.

It's well known China has the worst pollution in the world. But calling it a "leftist country" and comparing it to America as a "right wing" country is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And what that woman meant with her sign, is that money is not worth destroying our planet. And then he goes on to assume she's uneducated and ignorant and rants for the rest of the video cherry picking facts to support his extremely ridiculous argument.

America is far better than it was in the past, but that doesn't mean there's isn't a lot to improve. The entire video is ridiculous, because nobody makes any of the points he was "countering".

If you think that man in the video is intelligent then FUCKING LOL.
If you watched the video, then you'd understand why we're using China as a comparison. China is a left-wing nation that utilizes socialism and communism

Lol wut? Socialism/Communism is on the left side of the spectrum whilst Capitalism/Republicanism is on the right. China follows the left ideology while America follows the right ideology. Tell me how that's stupid. Except anybody with an average/above average IQ understand that the environment is needed to ensure life, which is why you see capitalistic nations, like America, enforce policies to protect the enviroment and domestic logging companies plant 2-3 trees for every tree they cut down. On the flip-side, the left (communist/socialist) nations, like China, do nothing to curb pollution and such

There is of course more to be done to improve but the point is that America has been impriroving over decades and centuries while the same ideologies that the women promotes (the left) is what countries like China posses but are backwards in protecting the enviroment
I think it's pretty damn obvious I watched the video.

China is not communist. If anything, it's fascist. Not only that, it's also capitalist. The point is they're so fucking corrupt that they don't give a shit about polluting the environment.

You didn't read a single one of my links, did you? These trees that are being planted in the place of trees that have been around for years are susceptible to forest fires and several other problems. It's a shitty cop out to just cut everything down. Do yourself a favor and read my links.
China IS Communist. Sorry, but trying to twist the facts will not work in your favor. And how can it be capitalist when the entire economy is ruled by the government? Talk about contradictions. Corruption is what Communists do best. See, in nations that promote liberty and freedom, enviromental and living conditions stomp on that of communist nations

>facts show that trees are being planted far more than ever
>tries to move the goal posts and construct a loaded question

Oh Chally, why do I waste my time with you?
I don't know why you waste your time regurgitating the same old ignorant bullshit over and over.
Considering you do it all the time, I'll direct it to you
Translation: I don't have a rebuttal so I'm just going to talk shit.
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China is communist.
Blatantly ignoring facts is more retarded than anything Icy's done.
So you attempt to ignoring the facts? Because the facts is that China is communist


 
 
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China is communist.
Blatantly ignoring facts is more retarded than anything Icy's done.
So you attempt to ignoring the facts? Because the facts is that China is communist
I've posted a definition of Communism for you before, and in this thread. China aren't communist. They don't even call themselves communist, they try to pass themselves off as market socialist, which still isn't true. They are, as I've said, state capitalist.

To think of China as communist isn't just to believe what the Chinese government tells you - which is intellectually arresting in the first place - but to assume that the name of the governing, corrupt party somehow translates into the actual socioeconomic system.


 
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Here's a definition of Communism, just for Kinder.

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Communism is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money, and the state.
>he's using Wikipedia definitions

Here's the correct definition from the Oxford dictionary
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A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs


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"Leftist countries like China"

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was the the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ok, time for some facts because I just lost a shit ton of brain cells listening to that dude without any testicles.

http://water.epa.gov/aboutow/owow/waterqualityfacts.cfm
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About 44% of assessed stream miles, 64% of assessed lake acres, and 30% of assessed bay and estuarine square miles are not clean enough to support uses such as fishing and swimming.

A recent study of the nation's streams found that only 28% have healthy biological communities compared to best possible conditions in their region

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More than 147.6 million people—47 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe, an increase from last year's report. Despite that risk, some seek to weaken the Clean Air Act, the public health law that has driven the cuts in pollution since 1970.

http://www.saveamericasforests.org/crisis.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_the_United_States

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>missing the point

Compare what's going on today in America to that of past America. Water is more cleaner, more trees are being planted, and animal populations have increased in America. Now compare America to China and you will see that America has cleaner air, water, etc, etc than China

There's literally no refuting that America has cleaned up it's act and if you actually think America was better in the past then just lol
Why are we comparing America to China in the first place? It's a fascist shithole run by a dictator. America is democratic.

It's well known China has the worst pollution in the world. But calling it a "leftist country" and comparing it to America as a "right wing" country is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And what that woman meant with her sign, is that money is not worth destroying our planet. And then he goes on to assume she's uneducated and ignorant and rants for the rest of the video cherry picking facts to support his extremely ridiculous argument.

America is far better than it was in the past, but that doesn't mean there's isn't a lot to improve. The entire video is ridiculous, because nobody makes any of the points he was "countering".

If you think that man in the video is intelligent then FUCKING LOL.
If you watched the video, then you'd understand why we're using China as a comparison. China is a left-wing nation that utilizes socialism and communism

Lol wut? Socialism/Communism is on the left side of the spectrum whilst Capitalism/Republicanism is on the right. China follows the left ideology while America follows the right ideology. Tell me how that's stupid. Except anybody with an average/above average IQ understand that the environment is needed to ensure life, which is why you see capitalistic nations, like America, enforce policies to protect the enviroment and domestic logging companies plant 2-3 trees for every tree they cut down. On the flip-side, the left (communist/socialist) nations, like China, do nothing to curb pollution and such

There is of course more to be done to improve but the point is that America has been impriroving over decades and centuries while the same ideologies that the women promotes (the left) is what countries like China posses but are backwards in protecting the enviroment
I think it's pretty damn obvious I watched the video.

China is not communist. If anything, it's fascist. Not only that, it's also capitalist. The point is they're so fucking corrupt that they don't give a shit about polluting the environment.

You didn't read a single one of my links, did you? These trees that are being planted in the place of trees that have been around for years are susceptible to forest fires and several other problems. It's a shitty cop out to just cut everything down. Do yourself a favor and read my links.
China IS Communist. Sorry, but trying to twist the facts will not work in your favor. And how can it be capitalist when the entire economy is ruled by the government? Talk about contradictions. Corruption is what Communists do best. See, in nations that promote liberty and freedom, enviromental and living conditions stomp on that of communist nations

>facts show that trees are being planted far more than ever
>tries to move the goal posts and construct a loaded question

Oh Chally, why do I waste my time with you?
China isn't Communist. Educate yourself.

China is corrupt because people pay each other off. Companies aren't restricted or told not to pollute. They pollute wherever they want. All the officials in the government are bought and payed for.

Oh wow. Did you seriously understand that from what I said? These trees being planted are actually environmental hazards because they're susceptible to forest fires, which if you haven't noticed are getting more and more widespread and are bigger and longer lasting than before, due to climate change as well.

I don't know why you waste your time regurgitating the same old ignorant bullshit over and over.
China is Communist You educate yourself

Dear God, it's learning. We all know this Chally. But guess what, in proper Capitalistic societies, we enforce laws and regulate pollutants in the environment

Forest fires happen everywhere, so I guess just forget about planting trees huh? If you're going to complain, then pick something better to complain about


 
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Here's the correct definition from the Oxford dictionary
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A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs
See, the reason I used that definition was because it cited the literature of Friedrich Engels.

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Finally, when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation, private property will disappear of its own accord, money will become superfluous, and production will so expand and man so change that society will be able to slough off whatever of its old economic habits may remain.

However, sticking with your own definition, it'd be great if you should show me exactly how the Chinese class war has succeeded, how all property is publicly owned (I'd say the government doesn't necessarily count, but I don't even need that premise) and how the economy is structured around production for use.

I'll save you the fucking time: none of that is the case. Stop being so facile.

Also, as an aside, the Oxford English Dictionary is surprisingly wrong on this front. People are paid in Communism because their is no money, and it's based on the principles of a gift economy.
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Translation: I don't have a rebuttal so I'm just going to talk shit.
Yet you do that constantly yourself.
No, I always have a point to make.
If by point you mean 'way to defend yourself,' then I really can't say I disagree.
Nope.

I make a post. You and/or Kinder come running along and start posting the same ignorant shit over and over, or in your case pathetic attempts at insults. I respond, prove you wrong, and then you guys either stop replying or just start lame attempts at insults.
But Challenger, you do the very thing. It's as if you make all these statements that relate to you but make it seem it's others


 
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Hmmm. I don't believe China is Communist. I'm not even sure it's socialist, or even anywhere on the left. At least, anymore, it's not the fecking 50's.

And I wanna know where this guy got his facts. Where the fuck are all these trees that were in America that apparently there are more than before, and before when? And how the fuck does a river catch fire, let alone 8 times over a 100 year period ending 50 years ago?

This man has clearly missed the point. Granted, I too hate those silly share posts and I too believe they are gain some moral high ground online, but somehow going off-tangent and still harboring a Cold War grudge in a propaganda video (for what I assume is for the conservatives) is beyond me. How the fuck is it even related, I have no idea.


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"Leftist countries like China"

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was the the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ok, time for some facts because I just lost a shit ton of brain cells listening to that dude without any testicles.

http://water.epa.gov/aboutow/owow/waterqualityfacts.cfm
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About 44% of assessed stream miles, 64% of assessed lake acres, and 30% of assessed bay and estuarine square miles are not clean enough to support uses such as fishing and swimming.

A recent study of the nation's streams found that only 28% have healthy biological communities compared to best possible conditions in their region

http://stateoftheair.org
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More than 147.6 million people—47 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe, an increase from last year's report. Despite that risk, some seek to weaken the Clean Air Act, the public health law that has driven the cuts in pollution since 1970.

http://www.saveamericasforests.org/crisis.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_the_United_States

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>missing the point

Compare what's going on today in America to that of past America. Water is more cleaner, more trees are being planted, and animal populations have increased in America. Now compare America to China and you will see that America has cleaner air, water, etc, etc than China

There's literally no refuting that America has cleaned up it's act and if you actually think America was better in the past then just lol
Why are we comparing America to China in the first place? It's a fascist shithole run by a dictator. America is democratic.

It's well known China has the worst pollution in the world. But calling it a "leftist country" and comparing it to America as a "right wing" country is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And what that woman meant with her sign, is that money is not worth destroying our planet. And then he goes on to assume she's uneducated and ignorant and rants for the rest of the video cherry picking facts to support his extremely ridiculous argument.

America is far better than it was in the past, but that doesn't mean there's isn't a lot to improve. The entire video is ridiculous, because nobody makes any of the points he was "countering".

If you think that man in the video is intelligent then FUCKING LOL.
If you watched the video, then you'd understand why we're using China as a comparison. China is a left-wing nation that utilizes socialism and communism

Lol wut? Socialism/Communism is on the left side of the spectrum whilst Capitalism/Republicanism is on the right. China follows the left ideology while America follows the right ideology. Tell me how that's stupid. Except anybody with an average/above average IQ understand that the environment is needed to ensure life, which is why you see capitalistic nations, like America, enforce policies to protect the enviroment and domestic logging companies plant 2-3 trees for every tree they cut down. On the flip-side, the left (communist/socialist) nations, like China, do nothing to curb pollution and such

There is of course more to be done to improve but the point is that America has been impriroving over decades and centuries while the same ideologies that the women promotes (the left) is what countries like China posses but are backwards in protecting the enviroment
I think it's pretty damn obvious I watched the video.

China is not communist. If anything, it's fascist. Not only that, it's also capitalist. The point is they're so fucking corrupt that they don't give a shit about polluting the environment.

You didn't read a single one of my links, did you? These trees that are being planted in the place of trees that have been around for years are susceptible to forest fires and several other problems. It's a shitty cop out to just cut everything down. Do yourself a favor and read my links.
China IS Communist. Sorry, but trying to twist the facts will not work in your favor. And how can it be capitalist when the entire economy is ruled by the government? Talk about contradictions. Corruption is what Communists do best. See, in nations that promote liberty and freedom, enviromental and living conditions stomp on that of communist nations

>facts show that trees are being planted far more than ever
>tries to move the goal posts and construct a loaded question

Oh Chally, why do I waste my time with you?
China isn't Communist. Educate yourself.

China is corrupt because people pay each other off. Companies aren't restricted or told not to pollute. They pollute wherever they want. All the officials in the government are bought and payed for.

Oh wow. Did you seriously understand that from what I said? These trees being planted are actually environmental hazards because they're susceptible to forest fires, which if you haven't noticed are getting more and more widespread and are bigger and longer lasting than before, due to climate change as well.

I don't know why you waste your time regurgitating the same old ignorant bullshit over and over.
China is Communist You educate yourself

Dear God, it's learning. We all know this Chally. But guess what, in proper Capitalistic societies, we enforce laws and regulate pollutants in the environment

Forest fires happen everywhere, so I guess just forget about planting trees huh? If you're going to complain, then pick something better to complain about
No it isn't. It's comical you think that's up for debate.

And China is corrupt so it doesn't enforce anything, although it is capitalist. Again, I don't even know why you're arguing this point when you aren't even in disagreement, you just have this raging boner for disagreeing with me.

I'm complaining? More like I'm educating you on how these "measures" aren't enough. Fires burn down an entire forest when these trees are planted after cutting down the strong and old ones. Instead of planting hemp fields, we're destroying our planet because of some greedy fuckers.
It is. It's comical to see you deny it

I'm not arguing that China is corrupt, because that's not the point. The point is that China following leftist ideals, which people like Feinstein and anarchists love, are the ones causing a large part of pollution. Yet, despite people having a angsty hate for Capitalism, it's the Capitalistic nations that are cleaning and fixing shit. But you just have a knack for derailing and going off-topic

Trees are being planted. Again, in an effort to look smart you have to move the goal posts and go off-topic (like, when the hell were we ever talking about hemp??????). Bu I'll entertain you and say again, forest fires happen all the time and can happen anywhere


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"Leftist countries like China"

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That was the the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ok, time for some facts because I just lost a shit ton of brain cells listening to that dude without any testicles.

http://water.epa.gov/aboutow/owow/waterqualityfacts.cfm
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About 44% of assessed stream miles, 64% of assessed lake acres, and 30% of assessed bay and estuarine square miles are not clean enough to support uses such as fishing and swimming.

A recent study of the nation's streams found that only 28% have healthy biological communities compared to best possible conditions in their region

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More than 147.6 million people—47 percent of the nation—live where pollution levels are too often dangerous to breathe, an increase from last year's report. Despite that risk, some seek to weaken the Clean Air Act, the public health law that has driven the cuts in pollution since 1970.

http://www.saveamericasforests.org/crisis.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_the_United_States

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>missing the point

Compare what's going on today in America to that of past America. Water is more cleaner, more trees are being planted, and animal populations have increased in America. Now compare America to China and you will see that America has cleaner air, water, etc, etc than China

There's literally no refuting that America has cleaned up it's act and if you actually think America was better in the past then just lol
Why are we comparing America to China in the first place? It's a fascist shithole run by a dictator. America is democratic.

It's well known China has the worst pollution in the world. But calling it a "leftist country" and comparing it to America as a "right wing" country is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And what that woman meant with her sign, is that money is not worth destroying our planet. And then he goes on to assume she's uneducated and ignorant and rants for the rest of the video cherry picking facts to support his extremely ridiculous argument.

America is far better than it was in the past, but that doesn't mean there's isn't a lot to improve. The entire video is ridiculous, because nobody makes any of the points he was "countering".

If you think that man in the video is intelligent then FUCKING LOL.
If you watched the video, then you'd understand why we're using China as a comparison. China is a left-wing nation that utilizes socialism and communism

Lol wut? Socialism/Communism is on the left side of the spectrum whilst Capitalism/Republicanism is on the right. China follows the left ideology while America follows the right ideology. Tell me how that's stupid. Except anybody with an average/above average IQ understand that the environment is needed to ensure life, which is why you see capitalistic nations, like America, enforce policies to protect the enviroment and domestic logging companies plant 2-3 trees for every tree they cut down. On the flip-side, the left (communist/socialist) nations, like China, do nothing to curb pollution and such

There is of course more to be done to improve but the point is that America has been impriroving over decades and centuries while the same ideologies that the women promotes (the left) is what countries like China posses but are backwards in protecting the enviroment
I think it's pretty damn obvious I watched the video.

China is not communist. If anything, it's fascist. Not only that, it's also capitalist. The point is they're so fucking corrupt that they don't give a shit about polluting the environment.

You didn't read a single one of my links, did you? These trees that are being planted in the place of trees that have been around for years are susceptible to forest fires and several other problems. It's a shitty cop out to just cut everything down. Do yourself a favor and read my links.
China IS Communist. Sorry, but trying to twist the facts will not work in your favor. And how can it be capitalist when the entire economy is ruled by the government? Talk about contradictions. Corruption is what Communists do best. See, in nations that promote liberty and freedom, enviromental and living conditions stomp on that of communist nations

>facts show that trees are being planted far more than ever
>tries to move the goal posts and construct a loaded question

Oh Chally, why do I waste my time with you?
China isn't Communist. Educate yourself.

China is corrupt because people pay each other off. Companies aren't restricted or told not to pollute. They pollute wherever they want. All the officials in the government are bought and payed for.

Oh wow. Did you seriously understand that from what I said? These trees being planted are actually environmental hazards because they're susceptible to forest fires, which if you haven't noticed are getting more and more widespread and are bigger and longer lasting than before, due to climate change as well.

I don't know why you waste your time regurgitating the same old ignorant bullshit over and over.
China is Communist You educate yourself

Dear God, it's learning. We all know this Chally. But guess what, in proper Capitalistic societies, we enforce laws and regulate pollutants in the environment

Forest fires happen everywhere, so I guess just forget about planting trees huh? If you're going to complain, then pick something better to complain about
No it isn't. It's comical you think that's up for debate.

And China is corrupt so it doesn't enforce anything, although it is capitalist. Again, I don't even know why you're arguing this point when you aren't even in disagreement, you just have this raging boner for disagreeing with me.

I'm complaining? More like I'm educating you on how these "measures" aren't enough. Fires burn down an entire forest when these trees are planted after cutting down the strong and old ones. Instead of planting hemp fields, we're destroying our planet because of some greedy fuckers.
It is. It's comical to see you deny it

I'm not arguing that China is corrupt, because that's not the point. The point is that China following leftist ideals, which people like Feinstein and anarchists love, are the ones causing a large part of pollution. Yet, despite people having a angsty hate for Capitalism, it's the Capitalistic nations that are cleaning and fixing shit. But you just have a knack for derailing and going off-topic

Trees are being planted. Again, in an effort to look smart you have to move the goal posts and go off-topic (like, when the hell were we ever talking about hemp??????). Bu I'll entertain you and say again, forest fires happen all the time and can happen anywhere
Hemp is a much more economically and ecologically sustainable alternative to wood for most uses.


 
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I'm still waiting for him to demonstrate how China is communist by either Marx and Engel's measures or by the Oxford English Dictionary's.

He's failed on both counts, thus far.