Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:46:07 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:42:10 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:37:20 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.Oh, you were there at the scene of the crime and know that Trayvon started it?I suppose you were there yourself and can confirm that Zimmerman just walked up and physically assaulted the Martin.We know for a fact there was a physical altercation. Martin was shot up close on top of Zimmerman.Now, because we are reasonable people who are capable of reasoning, we can reason that Zimmerman would not physically assault Martin because he was carrying, and if he wanted to hurt him he would have just shot him. Zimmerman just deciding to physically attack Martin is a silly notion.Because a fucking twig like Trayvon ended up getting 200+pound Zimmerman off his feet and onto his back and successfully pinned him down.I guess I'm supposed to also understand Zimmerman meant it when Trayvon kept him pinned, while covering Zimmerman's mouth, while reaching around for Zimmerman's gun. Guess I missed Trayvon's third arm.Are you a fucking retard? Being a fatass doesn't make you strong and having a slim build doesn't make you a fucking weakling. Martin was an athlete and very fit, he just had a lanky build. I have a similar build and I can assure you I'm not getting beat up by a lardass just because he weighs more than I do. Stop listening to fat autists in middle school trying to argue that they can win fights.Zimmerman was a fatass, and like pretty much all fat people who aren't niche bodybuilders, he was out of shape. Having a dickload of body fat doesn't make you strong by any means.I have no idea if Martin reached for Zimmerman's gun or not, or even knew he had one. He probably didn't, it was dark out, and I doubt he'd knowingly rush a dude with a gun. It's really irrelevant. If you're being attacked, you respond with force. If you're just creeped out and being being followed, you don't respond with force, because that's fucking retarded and a violation of the basic moral nonaggression principle that anyone who isn't a belligerent degenerate follows, whether they're consciously aware of it or not.
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:42:10 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:37:20 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.Oh, you were there at the scene of the crime and know that Trayvon started it?I suppose you were there yourself and can confirm that Zimmerman just walked up and physically assaulted the Martin.We know for a fact there was a physical altercation. Martin was shot up close on top of Zimmerman.Now, because we are reasonable people who are capable of reasoning, we can reason that Zimmerman would not physically assault Martin because he was carrying, and if he wanted to hurt him he would have just shot him. Zimmerman just deciding to physically attack Martin is a silly notion.Because a fucking twig like Trayvon ended up getting 200+pound Zimmerman off his feet and onto his back and successfully pinned him down.I guess I'm supposed to also understand Zimmerman meant it when Trayvon kept him pinned, while covering Zimmerman's mouth, while reaching around for Zimmerman's gun. Guess I missed Trayvon's third arm.
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:37:20 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.Oh, you were there at the scene of the crime and know that Trayvon started it?I suppose you were there yourself and can confirm that Zimmerman just walked up and physically assaulted the Martin.We know for a fact there was a physical altercation. Martin was shot up close on top of Zimmerman.Now, because we are reasonable people who are capable of reasoning, we can reason that Zimmerman would not physically assault Martin because he was carrying, and if he wanted to hurt him he would have just shot him. Zimmerman just deciding to physically attack Martin is a silly notion.
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.Oh, you were there at the scene of the crime and know that Trayvon started it?
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.
Trayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.
I never said Zimmerman was stronger than Martin, but it's eyebrow raising to hear about a 200+ pound tub of fat getting knocked to his ass and being pinned down by a guy he outweighs three times over.
Quote from: Azumarill on March 19, 2015, 07:53:09 PMyou sure do like to spin others' rhetoric for your own purposes.Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you saying I have some kind of personal motive for arguing in favor of Zimmerman's use of force on a backwater spinoff of a videogame forum?Quoteor maybe you actually arent able to comprehend english. i cant figure out which. either way, you've clearly got an ulterior motive here, so im done. this is the serious board, not your personal soapbox. go build a time machine and go back to 2012 when people still cared.Quote from: Azumarill on March 19, 2015, 07:43:20 PMzimmerman deserved the beatdown trayvon gave him. trayvon didnt deserve to die for giving that sperglord his comeuppance. legally, and unfortunately, zimmerman was within his rights. let the issue die. we've known about the cough syrup for a long time. let the kid rest in peace.I think it's really telling that you're giving me the "this is the serious board" shit when you can't even bother to capitalize or use punctuation, and are saying that a dude deserved to be physically harmed because he was doing something stupid.
you sure do like to spin others' rhetoric for your own purposes.
or maybe you actually arent able to comprehend english. i cant figure out which. either way, you've clearly got an ulterior motive here, so im done. this is the serious board, not your personal soapbox. go build a time machine and go back to 2012 when people still cared.
zimmerman deserved the beatdown trayvon gave him. trayvon didnt deserve to die for giving that sperglord his comeuppance. legally, and unfortunately, zimmerman was within his rights. let the issue die. we've known about the cough syrup for a long time. let the kid rest in peace.
In July 2005, when he was 21, Zimmerman was arrested after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent while a friend of Zimmerman's was being arrested for underage drinking. The officer alleged that Zimmerman had said, "I don't care who you are," followed by a profanity, and had refused to leave the area after the officer had shown their badge.[26] The charges were subsequently dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.[3][27]
That's exactly what confront means.
If you have more than just suspicions and fear for your life? You absolutely do whatever is necessary to defend yourself.
Contrary to what you believe about me, I neither followed any specific news source nor believed any of the bullshit narratives on either of them.
I'm not playing the race card, he literally followed him because he was black
and because young black males were burglarizing the neighborhood. It's called racial profiling, and it doesn't mean George Zimmerman is racist. I never said he was. I actually said several times this isn't so much about race but more about class and connections. I said that very clearly.
I don't assume anything. Neither you nor anybody else but Zimmerman knows what really happened.
I'm not being critical of the police, I'm explaining why they do that.
1. Yes
2. There's absolutely no way to know that.
He did instigate by following him.
I never denied he attacked him. I said they exchanged words first.
No. I clearly said I don't blame him for calling the cops. Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you stupid? What the fuck?
Again, not denying he attacked him. Holy shit you treat anybody who disagrees with you as some SJW retard.
It's getting old. Yes racism is a huge problem in the justice system. Deal with it.
After following him.
I bet you a million bucks if it was a white guy people would've been saying "HE FEARED FOR HIS LIFE". But that's neither here nor there.
No, but it should mean a few years in prison.
Actually it's extremely relevant because he wasn't doing anything illegal.
Bullshit. I'm talking about all the facts. You're the one saying what Trayvon was irrelevant as if deserved to be murdered for wearing a hoody.
Following somebody and putting them on edge is instigating.
I think it was an over reaction to assault him, but again I wasn't there and really don't know what Zimmerman said to him that might've caused him to just bomb.
Instead of taking his ass whooping like a man
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QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.But it's ok for him to follow Trayvon because he suspects something when he was advised not to?He was armed. He knew if it came to a physical altercation he would use his gun. And a life was lost because of that. If he wasn't well connected and buddies with the police with one hell of a lawyer he'd be in jail. Trust me.It was absolutely within his rights to follow him, you are not bound by what a dispatcher operator tells you to do. You imply Zimmerman was looking for a physical altercation, which would be wrong - and just because a physical altercation may take place it does not insinuate the use of the firearm every time. And no, I don't trust you at all, after many of the fallacies you've argued. You say Zimmerman instigated the situation which would imply legal wrong doing, but he did not do anything illegal. It came down to the conduct of both individuals at the confrontation and Trayvon failed to be a well conducted citizen. You should trust ME, since I've talked to and know people far more qualified on matters like these. In the end, Zimmerman defended himself and absolutely had reason to use lethal force.LOLExcept he knew damn well it could have ended the way it ended and went looking for trouble. He should be in prison for instigating and creating a situation where a life was lost.No.Trayvon Martin had it coming. Stupid kid didn't even know what he was getting into. He was living the thug life, he was shit. Not a good person at all. The fact that Obama said that if he had a son, he would be like Trayvon sickens me.This has nothing to do with race mind you. If Trayvon was white and he still had the same attitude and caused a fuck load of trouble and all the events that happened that day, leading him to his death, I still say good riddance.YouTubeDoes this sound like an innocent kid to you?If I had come across Trayvon Martin face to face, it's pretty obvious that he would want me dead, which in return I'd have to fight for my life, and I'd most likely lose that fight.If he was still alive today he would be charged for murder, I guarantee it.It's so very thuggish to turn and stand your ground against someone who is stalking you in a neighborhood and said stalker is carrying a loaded weapon, which Neighborhood Watch people are not supposed to be carrying anyways."Observe and Report, do not engage".
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QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.But it's ok for him to follow Trayvon because he suspects something when he was advised not to?He was armed. He knew if it came to a physical altercation he would use his gun. And a life was lost because of that. If he wasn't well connected and buddies with the police with one hell of a lawyer he'd be in jail. Trust me.It was absolutely within his rights to follow him, you are not bound by what a dispatcher operator tells you to do. You imply Zimmerman was looking for a physical altercation, which would be wrong - and just because a physical altercation may take place it does not insinuate the use of the firearm every time. And no, I don't trust you at all, after many of the fallacies you've argued. You say Zimmerman instigated the situation which would imply legal wrong doing, but he did not do anything illegal. It came down to the conduct of both individuals at the confrontation and Trayvon failed to be a well conducted citizen. You should trust ME, since I've talked to and know people far more qualified on matters like these. In the end, Zimmerman defended himself and absolutely had reason to use lethal force.LOLExcept he knew damn well it could have ended the way it ended and went looking for trouble. He should be in prison for instigating and creating a situation where a life was lost.No.Trayvon Martin had it coming. Stupid kid didn't even know what he was getting into. He was living the thug life, he was shit. Not a good person at all. The fact that Obama said that if he had a son, he would be like Trayvon sickens me.This has nothing to do with race mind you. If Trayvon was white and he still had the same attitude and caused a fuck load of trouble and all the events that happened that day, leading him to his death, I still say good riddance.YouTubeDoes this sound like an innocent kid to you?If I had come across Trayvon Martin face to face, it's pretty obvious that he would want me dead, which in return I'd have to fight for my life, and I'd most likely lose that fight.If he was still alive today he would be charged for murder, I guarantee it.
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QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.But it's ok for him to follow Trayvon because he suspects something when he was advised not to?He was armed. He knew if it came to a physical altercation he would use his gun. And a life was lost because of that. If he wasn't well connected and buddies with the police with one hell of a lawyer he'd be in jail. Trust me.It was absolutely within his rights to follow him, you are not bound by what a dispatcher operator tells you to do. You imply Zimmerman was looking for a physical altercation, which would be wrong - and just because a physical altercation may take place it does not insinuate the use of the firearm every time. And no, I don't trust you at all, after many of the fallacies you've argued. You say Zimmerman instigated the situation which would imply legal wrong doing, but he did not do anything illegal. It came down to the conduct of both individuals at the confrontation and Trayvon failed to be a well conducted citizen. You should trust ME, since I've talked to and know people far more qualified on matters like these. In the end, Zimmerman defended himself and absolutely had reason to use lethal force.LOLExcept he knew damn well it could have ended the way it ended and went looking for trouble. He should be in prison for instigating and creating a situation where a life was lost.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 06:03:26 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:59:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:53:38 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:49:38 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.But it's ok for him to follow Trayvon because he suspects something when he was advised not to?He was armed. He knew if it came to a physical altercation he would use his gun. And a life was lost because of that. If he wasn't well connected and buddies with the police with one hell of a lawyer he'd be in jail. Trust me.It was absolutely within his rights to follow him, you are not bound by what a dispatcher operator tells you to do. You imply Zimmerman was looking for a physical altercation, which would be wrong - and just because a physical altercation may take place it does not insinuate the use of the firearm every time. And no, I don't trust you at all, after many of the fallacies you've argued. You say Zimmerman instigated the situation which would imply legal wrong doing, but he did not do anything illegal. It came down to the conduct of both individuals at the confrontation and Trayvon failed to be a well conducted citizen. You should trust ME, since I've talked to and know people far more qualified on matters like these. In the end, Zimmerman defended himself and absolutely had reason to use lethal force.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:59:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:53:38 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:49:38 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.But it's ok for him to follow Trayvon because he suspects something when he was advised not to?He was armed. He knew if it came to a physical altercation he would use his gun. And a life was lost because of that. If he wasn't well connected and buddies with the police with one hell of a lawyer he'd be in jail. Trust me.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:53:38 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:49:38 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.Who cares? The system is not fool proof, but its better than your bullshit idea of trying someone based on emotions and knee-jerk reactions. I bet you were one of the idiots calling for Wilson to be thrown in jail even though he had a right to fair trial. Zimmerman did not instigate Trayvon to act in an illegal manor. Both were well within their rights doing what they were, the point in which there was a violation of law came when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You are arguing that it would be okay to beat the shit out of someone just on the fact you suspect they may be following you, out of paranoia. That is not a lawful act.If someone were to follow me and he and I were to talk and then I begin an attack, I would be at fault. At no point is it lawful to attack somebody based on paranoid delusions, of which you certainly are delusional. You should read your own statements carefully. You have admitted Trayvon committed the illegal action and Zimmerman did not. The story ends there, Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Case closed.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:49:38 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbassExcept it proves the law is not always correct. Especially since at the same time if this case a woman was arrested and sentenced to several years in prison for firing warning shots at her husband to protect herself. Yet Zimmerman killed somebody and walked. It's bullshit. QuoteTrayvon took an illegal action, end of story.He did, but Zimmerman instigated.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:46:13 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.Fifty years has no bearing on today lol dumbass
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:25:58 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.And 50 years ago there was nothing wrong in the eyes of the law if you hung a black man from a tree. Zimmerman instigated. End of story.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:23:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.Those aren't facts, those are your horribly misconstrued interpretations of the events. Are you trolling or just delusional? There is nothing wrong in the eyes of the law with Zimmerman's actions - it was completely within his right to follow Trayvon and talk to him if he wished. What was not within the bounds of the law was Trayvon's assault on Zimmerman. Case closed, and one less stupid thug is on the streets.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.Nope, it's the facts. He followed and questioned somebody who wasn't doing anything illegal. If anybody was in the wrong, it was Zimmerman.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 05:20:39 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. Don't argue bullshit - it wasn't illegal for him to do what he did. What WAS illegal was Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman. You seem like one of the types who wants to try people based on emotions rather than laws and logic.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 05:01:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.Trouble/confrontation/whatever. Don't argue semantics. It's not illegal, but it created the whole situation.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 04:27:12 PMQuote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.It was not illegal for him to do so, though. And following him does not mean he was looking for trouble.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 19, 2015, 03:15:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading). He shouldn't have followed him. Any responsible individual that carries a weapon knows not to go looking for trouble.
Quote from: challengerX on March 19, 2015, 07:28:17 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.Challenger, cases aren't decided by what you THINK is right, but what is the law. And in the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, there were no laws broken by EITHER individual up until the physical altercation. Then, at that point, it would come down to who initiated the assault, and in this case it was Trayvon. Thus, Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It does not MATTER that he followed Trayvon, it was not illegal to do so. It does not MATTER that he disobeyed the recommendations by the 911 dispatcher, it was not illegal to do so. As well I should point out it's not normal to just punch someone that you think may or may not be following you - that is assault. In the end, Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman and he acted in defense of his own life. Case closed. Zimmerman might not have been the most outstanding citizen but that cannot be held against him, and likewise Trayvon was definitely not a fucking angel like the media spun him to be (and used photos of him when he was younger, disgustingly misleading).
Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 19, 2015, 06:57:02 AMNobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.They seem to have a hard time recollecting a grown man's crimes but they're really eager to go after a teenager who got into fights and smoked weed. QuoteThe fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.Not denying that, but in his mind he was protecting himself from some guy who's following him around. QuoteTrayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.After he followed him for no reason at all. It was racial profiling and paranoia. QuoteShould Zimmerman have followed him? No.Which is my point. You don't go looking for trouble when you're carrying a gun. There's an extremely high probability of you having to use your gun when you could've avoided the whole situation. And in most courts he would've gotten into serious trouble for following someone while armed behaving like a vigilante. Neighborhood watch or not, it's the wrong move. QuoteShould he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.Which has been used against black people on trial in a negative manner of they don't listen to the operator. Yet people sounded like a broken record repeating this over and over about how it isn't legally binding. No, it isn't. But you know why they say this? So the police department isn't liable, and so you don't put yourself or others in harm's way and wait to let the professionals handle business. QuoteWas Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.And yet he got off with no charges. QuoteBut there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.After being followed by somebody who could've been a mugger for all he knew. QuoteTrayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.No, he died because some dude thinks he's a vigilante and racially profiles people. QuoteHe died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.He was part of a gang? Where's the proof for that? He was a troubled kid who got into fights at school and was labeled a thug. I never said he was a thug, I said even if he was one did he deserve to be gunned down in the street? No. You're twisting what I'm saying. He wasn't walikg around throwing up gang signs of flashing a pistol. He bought iced tea and skittles from a convenience store and was on his way back to the house he was visiting. Zimmerman went after him because he was black. I take no issue with him calling the cops, because there were a lot of break ins and he was part of the neighborhood watch, or the captain I believe. But following him and creating a situation where using his weapon to defend himself would most likely be an inevitability? That's inexcusable and he should be sitting in prison for it. A woman that fired warning shots with a gun in her home to defend against her husband was sentenced to several years in prison, and Zimmerman kills a guy after following him because he's paranoid and he walks? Come on now. It's not even about race, it's about how fucked up the justice system is and how having excellent lawyers and friends in the police department will get you out of a murder. Because that's exactly what it was.
Nobody denies Zimmerman's criminal history, dude.
The fact of the matter is all of the evidence absolutely attests to Trayvon initiating the brawl.
Trayvon died in the sense that he attacked Zimmerman first, and that Zimmerman reacted to the situation as anyone else should, in self defense.
Should Zimmerman have followed him? No.
Should he have ignored the operator (who's advice is not legally binding I might point out) who told him not to follow Trayvon? No.
Was Zimmerman an unstable character himself? Absolutely.
But there's no question of a doubt that all of the empirical evidence points to Trayvon as the one who threw the first punch.
Trayvon didn't deserve to die because he was innocent wittle black child which was constantly permeated throughout the media.
He died because he was, as you amiably point out, part of the gang culture that gets so many black males killed and/or incarcerated in contemporary America.
Trayvon took an illegal action, end of story.
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 08:01:37 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:46:07 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:42:10 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:37:20 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 19, 2015, 07:33:13 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 07:23:46 PMTrayvon was within his rights. He was being stalked and felt threatened.You don't have the right to start beating the shit out of somebody just because you feel threatened.Oh, you were there at the scene of the crime and know that Trayvon started it?I suppose you were there yourself and can confirm that Zimmerman just walked up and physically assaulted the Martin.We know for a fact there was a physical altercation. Martin was shot up close on top of Zimmerman.Now, because we are reasonable people who are capable of reasoning, we can reason that Zimmerman would not physically assault Martin because he was carrying, and if he wanted to hurt him he would have just shot him. Zimmerman just deciding to physically attack Martin is a silly notion.Because a fucking twig like Trayvon ended up getting 200+pound Zimmerman off his feet and onto his back and successfully pinned him down.I guess I'm supposed to also understand Zimmerman meant it when Trayvon kept him pinned, while covering Zimmerman's mouth, while reaching around for Zimmerman's gun. Guess I missed Trayvon's third arm.Are you a fucking retard? Being a fatass doesn't make you strong and having a slim build doesn't make you a fucking weakling. Martin was an athlete and very fit, he just had a lanky build. I have a similar build and I can assure you I'm not getting beat up by a lardass just because he weighs more than I do. Stop listening to fat autists in middle school trying to argue that they can win fights.Zimmerman was a fatass, and like pretty much all fat people who aren't niche bodybuilders, he was out of shape. Having a dickload of body fat doesn't make you strong by any means.I have no idea if Martin reached for Zimmerman's gun or not, or even knew he had one. He probably didn't, it was dark out, and I doubt he'd knowingly rush a dude with a gun. It's really irrelevant. If you're being attacked, you respond with force. If you're just creeped out and being being followed, you don't respond with force, because that's fucking retarded and a violation of the basic moral nonaggression principle that anyone who isn't a belligerent degenerate follows, whether they're consciously aware of it or not.Are you retarded?I never said Zimmerman was stronger than Martin, but it's eyebrow raising to hear about a 200+ pound tub of fat getting knocked to his ass and being pinned down by a guy he outweighs three times over.
"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.
Oh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthread
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:15:07 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthreadHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:16:22 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:15:07 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthreadHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/16047-trayvon-martin-was-no-innocentNow shut the fuck up. You want actual documentation? Google it yourself or ask 4chan.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:18:05 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:16:22 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:15:07 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthreadHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/16047-trayvon-martin-was-no-innocentNow shut the fuck up. You want actual documentation? Google it yourself or ask 4chan.There Deci, was that so hard?
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:21:08 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:18:05 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:16:22 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:15:07 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthreadHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/16047-trayvon-martin-was-no-innocentNow shut the fuck up. You want actual documentation? Google it yourself or ask 4chan.There Deci, was that so hard?Shut up.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:21:37 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:21:08 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:18:05 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:16:22 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:15:07 PMQuote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:08:11 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on March 19, 2015, 10:04:00 PM"JUSTICE FOR TRAAAAYVON!!!!!"More like good fucking riddance if you ask me. Either way, George Zimmerman did society a favor. Fucking no good criminals like Trayvon Martin will ALWAYS get one they deserve at the end. Seriously, the kid had it coming, if you're someone that causes trouble and then attempts to beat the shit out of someone to the point where they can die, you can very well lose your own life if that person has a gun.Oh goodie, perhaps you can dig me up a criminal record for Trayvon besides having some marijuana and getting in a couple scuffles at school. I'll be waiting.QuoteOh, and killing me won't change anything, should I ever be murdered. The problem will never go away, even if I was murdered by thugs. Hopefully I'll never end up in a dangerous situation, but if I do, I'm going to leave a fucking impact before I leave this planet.So fucking EDGEY.You actually think a kid like Trayvon was innocent? Are you fucking out of your mind?Let me guess, you're with the majority of black people because to you it's a fucking race issue isn't it? Well let me tell you something, he had a record going. He was a criminal, and believe when I say if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, Trayvon would have murdered him.This is one controversy that I would love to permanently erase from the history books of human history. Too bad people will never forget about this pecker fucker.I have 3 words for you. You ready?FUCK TRAYVON MARTINHope someone destroys his grave. He doesn't deserve a grave. Kid was a future criminal and anyone who says otherwise can join him in his grave for all I fucking care./themotherfuckingthreadHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/16047-trayvon-martin-was-no-innocentNow shut the fuck up. You want actual documentation? Google it yourself or ask 4chan.There Deci, was that so hard?Shut up.No need for hostilities, but at least you learned to cite your sources :^)
Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on March 19, 2015, 10:16:22 PMHey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.I'll answer this because Deci is not smart enough to know not to say things like this without evidence.Trayvon had no criminal record. Deci has a way of looking at the world that causes him to take very extreme, and largely unfounded, evaluations of people he dislikes for whatever reason. Any understanding of Trayvon's character and background makes him seem like the kind of guy Deci would really dislike. Deci doesn't like Trayvon, so his idea of him is somewhat exaggerated.In this serious discussion though, can we please not call Deci an autist like that when he is the one guy here with actual autism? At least save it for shitposting. This probably sounds hypocritical coming from me, but this isn't really a context in which that kind of name calling is appropriate.
Hey. Hey Deci.I asked you to show me where he's a criminal.Instead you're dancing around the question like an autist.So I ask again....please show Trayvon's criminal record.EDIT: Also, no, I didn't think it was a race issue. However, you're pretty much the only one bringing race up in this discussion.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AMFor the people who keep trying to dig up dirt about Zimmerman's history, let me ask you a question. During the Rodney King incident, did you recall anyone that brought up the fact that he had robbed a convenience store in his early life in an attempt to discredit the despicable crimes against him? No. That's because it wasn't at all relevant to the case being investigated at hand unless said history conflicted with the evidence and narrative, which it didn't.It does not matter that Zimmerman had a dubious past. It doesn't matter that he pursued Martin despite the fact that it was dangerous to do so. What matters is who broke the law. And with the empirical evidence given, all signs point to Martin. You can all cry about racism and racial profiling until the cows come home. It doesn't change any hard boiled facts.Are you seriously comparing the beating of Rodney King to some trigger happy vigilante?Fact is he should've stayed in his car. The fact that he didn't and followed him shows he was looking for trouble and wanted to play superhero.
For the people who keep trying to dig up dirt about Zimmerman's history, let me ask you a question. During the Rodney King incident, did you recall anyone that brought up the fact that he had robbed a convenience store in his early life in an attempt to discredit the despicable crimes against him? No. That's because it wasn't at all relevant to the case being investigated at hand unless said history conflicted with the evidence and narrative, which it didn't.It does not matter that Zimmerman had a dubious past. It doesn't matter that he pursued Martin despite the fact that it was dangerous to do so. What matters is who broke the law. And with the empirical evidence given, all signs point to Martin. You can all cry about racism and racial profiling until the cows come home. It doesn't change any hard boiled facts.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 20, 2015, 07:34:45 AMQuote from: challengerX on March 20, 2015, 07:30:27 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AMFor the people who keep trying to dig up dirt about Zimmerman's history, let me ask you a question. During the Rodney King incident, did you recall anyone that brought up the fact that he had robbed a convenience store in his early life in an attempt to discredit the despicable crimes against him? No. That's because it wasn't at all relevant to the case being investigated at hand unless said history conflicted with the evidence and narrative, which it didn't.It does not matter that Zimmerman had a dubious past. It doesn't matter that he pursued Martin despite the fact that it was dangerous to do so. What matters is who broke the law. And with the empirical evidence given, all signs point to Martin. You can all cry about racism and racial profiling until the cows come home. It doesn't change any hard boiled facts.Are you seriously comparing the beating of Rodney King to some trigger happy vigilante?Fact is he should've stayed in his car. The fact that he didn't and followed him shows he was looking for trouble and wanted to play superhero.I'm drawing a comparison to the fact that both King and Zimmerman are victims, and do not deserve to have their history brought up in an attempt to discredit what happened to them.For like the millionth time, we all agree that Zimmerman shouldn't have done what he did, just like King shouldn't have been drink driving and trying to outrun the cops. He was negligent. There's no disputing that. The point we're trying to make here is that in legal and moral terms, Trayvon is the one in the wrong here. Not Zimmerman.My point is they're BOTH in the wrong and if Trayvon was alive he should be in jail along with Zimmerman.
Quote from: challengerX on March 20, 2015, 07:30:27 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on March 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AMFor the people who keep trying to dig up dirt about Zimmerman's history, let me ask you a question. During the Rodney King incident, did you recall anyone that brought up the fact that he had robbed a convenience store in his early life in an attempt to discredit the despicable crimes against him? No. That's because it wasn't at all relevant to the case being investigated at hand unless said history conflicted with the evidence and narrative, which it didn't.It does not matter that Zimmerman had a dubious past. It doesn't matter that he pursued Martin despite the fact that it was dangerous to do so. What matters is who broke the law. And with the empirical evidence given, all signs point to Martin. You can all cry about racism and racial profiling until the cows come home. It doesn't change any hard boiled facts.Are you seriously comparing the beating of Rodney King to some trigger happy vigilante?Fact is he should've stayed in his car. The fact that he didn't and followed him shows he was looking for trouble and wanted to play superhero.I'm drawing a comparison to the fact that both King and Zimmerman are victims, and do not deserve to have their history brought up in an attempt to discredit what happened to them.For like the millionth time, we all agree that Zimmerman shouldn't have done what he did, just like King shouldn't have been drink driving and trying to outrun the cops. He was negligent. There's no disputing that. The point we're trying to make here is that in legal and moral terms, Trayvon is the one in the wrong here. Not Zimmerman.
Yes, I am reviving the Trayvon discussion, because fuck you I feel like it
