Working class white boys are now the most educationally disadvantaged in the UK

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Maybe they should start doing better at school then
Maybe blacks should stop committing crime then.

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Maybe they should start doing better at school then
Maybe blacks should stop committing crime then.

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Only 28% managed to get a single fucking C?

I mean, I would have said I'm not surprised going by the kind of mouth breathing peasantry* that infested the lower sets at school but not even a third of poor students managed to get a C? Ugh.

*Before some yank rides in on his moral high horse about muh classism, being a filthy peasant in this context has nothing to do with your social class. It's the trogs who have zero inclination to apply themselves at school.

My family was poor as shit, bugger all income and a mountain of debt. Free school meals and textbooks because we had zero money, I don't mean not a lot I mean we were flat broke. And yet, I still managed to walk out of highschool with three times as many GCSEs as the average student.

You work hard, you do your studying and you put school above football/drinking with your lads or whatever the fuck they do nowadays - and you will do fine.

We should have brought back the grammar schools a long time ago, trying to shovel every kid through the same system doesn't bloody work. The workers need practical jobs and skills for a trade, the academics need to not be held back by the gumby of the classroom.


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Only 28% managed to get a single fucking C?

I mean, I would have said I'm not surprised going by the kind of mouth breathing peasantry* that infested the lower sets at school but not even a third of poor students managed to get a C? Ugh.

*Before some yank rides in on his moral high horse about muh classism, being a filthy peasant in this context has nothing to do with your social class. It's the trogs who have zero inclination to apply themselves at school.

My family was poor as shit, bugger all income and a mountain of debt. Free school meals and textbooks because we had zero money, I don't mean not a lot I mean we were flat broke. And yet, I still managed to walk out of highschool with three times as many GCSEs as the average student.

You work hard, you do your studying and you put school above football/drinking with your lads or whatever the fuck they do nowadays - and you will do fine.

We should have brought back the grammar schools a long time ago, trying to shovel every kid through the same system doesn't bloody work. The workers need practical jobs and skills for a trade, the academics need to not be held back by the gumby of the classroom.
But see when I say something like this, people start shitposting about bootstraps.
That would have been me ordinarily.

It's probably just to do with schooling, I have next to no sympathy for the [Insert term to describe Dalit here] who made schooling tedious. The lessons moved at a snail's pace because of catering to the undesirables who had no interest in it anyway.

I'd have loved to be filtered off into a grammar school at 11, rather than spending four years in mixed ability classrooms. (See: The able do all of the work and the unwilling make it hard for them to do so)


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The workers need practical jobs and skills for a trade, the academics need to not be held back by the gumby of the classroom.
But how are you going to categorize the two without coming off as extremely classist? Not every working class student who can barely afford a pair of Filas is going to necessarily be gifted in handiwork, and likewise, not every upperclass toff who relies on daddy to pay for everything is going to be a sublime academic.


 
 
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The workers need practical jobs and skills for a trade, the academics need to not be held back by the gumby of the classroom.
But how are you going to categorize the two without coming off as extremely classist? Not every working class student who can barely afford a pair of Filas is going to necessarily be gifted in handiwork, and likewise, not every upperclass toff who relies on daddy to pay for everything is going to be a sublime academic.
That would have been the point of the 11+ exam, which had it's flaws certainly but it could have been improved rather than scrapped.

The academic skill of the child is tested, if they are good with their books they go to a grammar if they are better with their hands they go to a technical college. Of course those born with a silver spoon in their arsehole will go to private schooling anyway, it's just for filtering middle/lowers really. You get the brightest stars from the lower and the best from the middle, the rest go off to techni to stop saturating the graduate market with bloody liberal arts.


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Good that I'm one to buck that trend. 7A's, a few B's and a C here (not that they mean jack shit anymore, what with being in Uni now and all).

Same goes for my brother, hopefully. If my mum doesn't beat it into him that living a low-class life isn't all great, I sure will.


 
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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
That's not all the article is on though, race seems to play a part as well. White people poor people tend to preform worse then poor people of other races, compared to mixed race kids, white kids tend to be 10% more likely to fail to attain the English GCSE at a C level. 


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
That's not all the article is on though, race seems to play a part as well. White people poor people tend to preform worse then poor people of other races, compared to mixed race kids, white kids tend to be 10% more likely to fail to attain the English GCSE at a C level.
I know, fam, I'm talking about the reactions to it


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
It is certainly strange how nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that white males sustain the most damage from poverty.


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
It is certainly strange how nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that white males sustain the most damage from poverty.
Yeah, man

If anybody's got the short end of the stick throughout history and the modern age it's been white dudes, that's for sure.


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
It is certainly strange how nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that white males sustain the most damage from poverty.
Yeah, man

If anybody's got the short end of the stick throughout history and the modern age it's been white dudes, that's for sure.
le progressive white bashing meme

You actually going to address the statistics, or are you going to subtly denigrate and handwave genuine grievances that white males in the UK withhold?


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
It is certainly strange how nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that white males sustain the most damage from poverty.
Yeah, man

If anybody's got the short end of the stick throughout history and the modern age it's been white dudes, that's for sure.
le progressive white bashing meme

You actually going to address the statistics, or are you going to subtly denigrate and handwave genuine grievances that white males in the UK withhold?
Okay, what about the statistic do I address? The fact that white males make up a significant part of the working class of South England and that class-based divides are pretty much the ultimate divider?

Or the "RACISM NOT REAL WHITE PRIVILEGE IS FALSE HURPA DURPA" one that people love trying to push with this statistic?


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Woah, all of a sudden poverty, poor education, and oppression of the working class are all problems. Strange that nobody noticed that until just recently!
It is certainly strange how nobody seems to want to talk about the fact that white males sustain the most damage from poverty.
Yeah, man

If anybody's got the short end of the stick throughout history and the modern age it's been white dudes, that's for sure.
le progressive white bashing meme

You actually going to address the statistics, or are you going to subtly denigrate and handwave genuine grievances that white males in the UK withhold?
Okay, what about the statistic do I address? The fact that white males make up a significant part of the working class of South England and that class-based divides are pretty much the ultimate divider?

Or the "RACISM NOT REAL WHITE PRIVILEGE IS FALSE HURPA DURPA" one that people love trying to push with this statistic?
No, just the fact there is a systemic problem for working class white males in the UK that we need to address, and that we should also be approaching the 'white privilege' meme with a bit more sceptical rigour.
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Correlation =/= causation

There's not a systematic problem for working class white males in the UK, there's a systematic problem for working class males, the majority of whom tend to be white.

Or are you honestly telling me that England, of all places, is racist against white people? Because if so then that's...hilarious, honestly.


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I don't find it particularly humorous to be perfectly honest. Invert the gender and race and I guarantee you wouldn't find it that amusing.

Affirmative action and gender orientated scholarships favourable towards women has pretty much left working class white males in the dust in regards to education. So yeah, I actually do think there is some form of positive discrimination going on in Britain that has left quite a substantial portion of lower income white males feeling disorientated.


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I don't find it particularly humorous to be perfectly honest. Invert the gender and race and I guarantee you wouldn't find it that amusing.
This just in: problems with discrimination have absolutely no context to them and must be just on a purely objective basis without regard to societal or institutional biases


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I don't find it particularly humorous to be perfectly honest. Invert the gender and race and I guarantee you wouldn't find it that amusing.
This just in: problems with discrimination have absolutely no context to them and must be just on a purely objective basis without regard to societal or institutional biases
I'm not sure where this condescending chip on your shoulder is coming from, but I suggest you drop of it for the sake of the discourse.

Educational disadvantages are now a thing for working class white men. It's an incontestable fact. I'm not really sure what kind of illogical hoops your attempting to contort through in this discussion, but it's a problem that needs addressing without the classic cop out answer of 'oh well, it's a working class problem.'

Yeah no shit, but broadchurch assessments like that are rarely ever productive. If we're to solve any problems then we need to analyse them with impartial surgical precision.


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