Why should transgenderism be something we "accept"?

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:36:36 PM

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oh boy you are a special kind of fascist. How dare someone not follow your worldview
I love how you're totally ok with child molestation.

Now I know not to bother with your posts.

he literally never said that he was, though

he's just fine with pedophiles existing as long as they don't actually molest any children

and if they're not molesting and children, then who gives a fuck

terrorbite · October 25, 2015, 08:36:38 PM

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nothing actually happens with a mental illness. a mental illness will not kill you. ptsd wont kill you. schizophrenia wont kill you. bipolar disorder wont kill you.
You realize death isn't the only thing that's harmful, right? I'm not talking about death.

Gender dysphoria not only won't kill you--it won't do ANYTHING harmful to you. At all.

and neither will the others. they just make you feel crappy until you realize its just a mental thing and cant actually hurt you.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 25, 2015, 08:37:13 PM

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terrorbite · October 25, 2015, 08:37:42 PM

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you could say that about any mental illness.
No, you couldn't. Because 99% of all other mental illnesses are actually harmful.

Gender dysphoria isn't harmful at all. Not in and of itself.
nothing actually happens with a mental illness. a mental illness will not kill you. ptsd wont kill you. schizophrenia wont kill you. bipolar disorder wont kill you.

its the dumbass decisions you make because of that disorder that kills you.
Gender dsyphoria has never caused someone to murder. You can't seriously be trying to compare GD with mental illnesses like schizophrenia. Please tell me you're joking?

i'm comparing metal illnesses to mental illnesses, thats all.

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:38:10 PM

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Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:38:19 PM

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and neither will the others. they just make you feel crappy until you realize its just a mental thing and cant actually hurt you.

Visions of traumatic events? Irreversibly harmful. If you watched your friend get blown to bits in 'Nam, there is no healthy way to make seeing visions of that again and again okay. None.

Thinking you're a guy instead of a girl?...

How is that intrinsically harmful in ANY way?

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:39:16 PM

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CIS · October 25, 2015, 08:39:18 PM

Hormone therapy and occasionally surgery if the patient chooses to go through with it are the only treatments that work and improve the patient's quality of life right now at least from what I know. They're not hurting you or anyone else at all by living their lives the way they want to so I don't see why you have such a big problem with this.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 25, 2015, 08:39:32 PM

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cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 25, 2015, 08:40:20 PM

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Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:40:28 PM

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Key word being "believe". Which means we need to cure them like we need to cure schizophrenia.

Why? What's actually wrong with thinking you're the wrong gender? How is that harmful?

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I'm talking about legitimately curing these people.

How?

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:41:21 PM

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Tsirist · October 25, 2015, 08:43:28 PM

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People who accept transgenderism, yeah.
I don't "accept" mental illnesses, I'm afraid.
that doesnt make any sense. how do you not accept mental illnesses? they exist. they're real.
He means he doesn't think it should be accepted as a normal thing, or something that we should consider "okay".
that's because mental illnesses aren't "okay" and need to be treated.
I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Gender dysphoria isn't about some sort of decision that someone sits down and makes one day about themselves.
go read/watch any interview with a tranny. they always ask when they realized they were a tranny. decisions were made.

Do you think people with PTSD and depression sat down one day and decided to be victims of those disorders? No, what you're referring to is their realization of the problem and the need to pursue the solution. They did not choose to be gender dysphoric, otherwise they clearly wouldn't have any problems.

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:43:48 PM

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that doesnt make any sense. how do you not accept mental illnesses? they exist. they're real.
I mean I don't accept them to be incurable diseases we need to work around.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This is a fact. And just like all the other mental illnesses that plague our species, we need to eradicate them from existence.

Eradicating something that isn't harmful in any way sounds pretty pointless to me.

Tsirist · October 25, 2015, 08:44:08 PM

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that doesnt make any sense. how do you not accept mental illnesses? they exist. they're real.
I mean I don't accept them to be incurable diseases we need to work around.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This is a fact. And just like all the other mental illnesses that plague our species, we need to eradicate them from existence.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the statistics and studies I posted on the last page.

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:44:51 PM

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CIS · October 25, 2015, 08:45:24 PM

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that doesnt make any sense. how do you not accept mental illnesses? they exist. they're real.
I mean I don't accept them to be incurable diseases we need to work around.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This is a fact. And just like all the other mental illnesses that plague our species, we need to eradicate them from existence.

Like we've been trying to tell you. The only treatment that has given results is what you're against which is hormone therapy and occasionally surgery.

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:48:18 PM

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Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:48:26 PM

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Feeling trapped. Thinking you have the wrong reproductive organs.

You know what would solve that problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

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I don't know. I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

You thinking that it's icky isn't a good reason not to support it.

challengerX · October 25, 2015, 08:49:29 PM

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terrorbite · October 25, 2015, 08:49:38 PM

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Feeling trapped. Thinking you have the wrong reproductive organs.
You know what would solve that problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

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I don't know. I'm sure we'll find out eventually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

You thinking that it's icky isn't a good reason not to support it.

do any other mental illnesses require surgery as a treatment?

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:50:12 PM

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Except that doesn't solve the problem for everybody.

That's my point.

Neither do vaccines.

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:50:29 PM

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do any other mental illnesses require surgery as a treatment?

Who cares?

And yeah. There's many other types of body dysphoria.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 25, 2015, 08:51:14 PM

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Tsirist · October 25, 2015, 08:51:15 PM

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I'm sorry, but that just doesn't cut it. We need to heavily research into this and come up with something better than "well they commit suicide a little less with this treatment". That's pathetic.

Why doesn't it cut it? And who is stopping you from pursuing research on it? And why shouldn't we use the most effective means we know of right now and socially embrace it for the sake of those who need it?

CIS · October 25, 2015, 08:51:55 PM

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that doesnt make any sense. how do you not accept mental illnesses? they exist. they're real.
I mean I don't accept them to be incurable diseases we need to work around.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. This is a fact. And just like all the other mental illnesses that plague our species, we need to eradicate them from existence.

Like we've been trying to tell you. The only treatment that has given results is what you're against which is hormone therapy and occasionally surgery.
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't cut it. We need to heavily research into this and come up with something better than "well they commit suicide a little less with this treatment". That's pathetic.

One of the main reasons that so many of them attempt suicide is because of social factors such as abandonment by friends and family, inability to access medical treatment and cultural stigma. If there was a treatment for gender dysphoria that was more effective and didn't involve the risks of hormone therapy and on certain occasions painful surgey then that would be great but sadly there isn't.

terrorbite · October 25, 2015, 08:53:57 PM

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do any other mental illnesses require surgery as a treatment?
Who cares?

And yeah. There's many other types of body dysphoria.

because if trannies are just a mental illness that doesn't hurt anything, but requires surgery to treat, its not the harmless thing you say it is.

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 08:58:01 PM

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do any other mental illnesses require surgery as a treatment?
Who cares?

And yeah. There's many other types of body dysphoria.
because if trannies are just a mental illness that doesn't hurt anything, but requires surgery to treat, its not the harmless thing you say it is.

Uhhh. Okay. How?

Tsirist · October 25, 2015, 09:01:05 PM

I don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?

Verbatim · October 25, 2015, 09:03:01 PM

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I don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?

There is none--they just think it disrupts some kind of sacred natural order. Gaia theists.