Quote from: Verbatim on October 25, 2015, 09:03:01 PMQuote from: Tsirist on October 25, 2015, 09:01:05 PMI don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?There is none--they just think it disrupts some kind of sacred natural order. Gaia theists.Depression and suicide isn't an issue to you?Ok then.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 25, 2015, 09:01:05 PMI don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?There is none--they just think it disrupts some kind of sacred natural order. Gaia theists.
I don't understand the issue. Clearly gender dysphoria is a harmful disorder to those who experience it and those who rely on them to be able to function normally. But transgenderism helps to solve it for the individual and doesn't hurt anyone else. What's the big deal?
Gender dysphoria causes these things.
Choice? The fuck are you talking about?
They're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness.
people can do what they want with their bodies
Quote from: Verbatim on October 25, 2015, 09:24:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PMThey're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness. or because they live in a world of bigots who treat them like shit after surgeryWhere's your proof for this?I find this hard to believe seeing how they got the surgery to look like the other gender. If I saw Nuka in real life and I didn't know he was transgender, I'd have no idea that he is a transgender. Yeah I don't buy it.
Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PMThey're not all happy, however. They're killing themselves even after surgery and having support. Why? Because they have a mental illness. or because they live in a world of bigots who treat them like shit after surgery
Quote from: Tsirist on October 25, 2015, 09:22:34 PMNo shit. Did you even read my post regarding the studies I linked a page or two back? The fact that they kill themselves afterwards does NOT necessarily suggest that there is a better solution. Transgenderism is proven to help, but as you point out it is not a PERFECT solution.It's not even a good solution judging from the statistics. QuoteYou have yet to address this issue.I addressed it before you even posted. In the OP. This is the whole point of this thread. Get your eyes checked then get back to me.
No shit. Did you even read my post regarding the studies I linked a page or two back? The fact that they kill themselves afterwards does NOT necessarily suggest that there is a better solution. Transgenderism is proven to help, but as you point out it is not a PERFECT solution.
You have yet to address this issue.
Tell that to all the people who have committed suicide because of their gender dusphoria.
So we should just let people kill themselves?
Quote from: Notch's little brother on October 25, 2015, 09:28:33 PMHave you been living under a rock or something?I'm sorry, am I supposed to take this pathetic post as irrefutable proof for the argument that all transgenders who get realignment surgery and commit suicide afterwards do so because of bigotry, even though it's incredibly difficult to tell that they are transgender?
Have you been living under a rock or something?
Quote from: Notch's little brother on October 25, 2015, 09:35:26 PMThis kind of stuff shouldn't have to be explained. Yes, there is bigotry towards trans people. If you want proof just do some quick Google searches.Nobody is denying there's bigotry. I'm saying the suicides after gender realignment surgery are not all caused by bigotry.
This kind of stuff shouldn't have to be explained. Yes, there is bigotry towards trans people. If you want proof just do some quick Google searches.