Quote from: challengerX on October 25, 2015, 09:17:10 PM

Gender dysphoria causes these things.

it doesn't, though

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Choice? The fuck are you talking about?

it's not really anyone's place to tell you if you should kill yourself or not

it really isn't

Yes but depression can twist people to do stupid things, harassment only reinforces the decision.

People dont want to you fool, theyre forced into this because they feel they have no other option.

you can dissuade people from committing suicide all you want

you can't prevent someone from doing it if they want to

Quote from: Batch on October 25, 2015, 10:02:49 PM

If theyre a part of my life I wouldnt let them.

that's just selfish

Because  I want to see them die I should let them? I cant try to show them what they can do and dissuade them? What about the other people in their lives? Friends family. Why should I just let this individual leave all of them? When, most of the times they would all support them in recovery if they understood the circumstances.

What am I supposed to do?

You're doing the best with what you have. You do you, Kiwicake.

Well how exactly would we go about fixing it?

By finding out what causes that mental issue and figuring out out how to get rid of it or to suppress it.

You can't really cure dysphoria like you want to without getting in to some Robert Heath type shit for now, and progress in this field of study is slow, no matter how much money you throw at it.

If there ever will be a procedure/surgery/pill to remove all notions of dysphoria and alter the persons brain composition to align more properly with the normal structure of their birth sex, it's a long fucking time away. I doubt we'd live to see it.

It's really just astounding how you establish a correlation equals causation fallacy throughout this entire thread.

Everyone else - "There is no direct link between suicide and post operative reassignment surgery. Just because trans people have a high suicide rate does not automatically mean that gender reassignment causes this."

You -"NUH UH HERE'S A BLOG POST TRYING TO PASS ITSELF OFF AS A GENUINE ARTICLE THAT DISPELS EVERY CREDIBLE POINT YOU GUYS BRING UP HAHA IM RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH"

[Mod Note: Sorry to play overrides but uh yeah anyway. Replaced the original text sans the offending line.]

Soon we'll be accepting pedophiles and rapists too! "They can't control it, it's how they were born"

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

and, of course, there's an obvious difference between being a pedophile and being someone who acts on their impulses

as long as pedophiles just feverishly masturbate in their sad little homes without disturbing anybody, pedophiles aren't actually a problem

and there is absolutely no logical tie between accepting transgenderism and accepting rapists
there is no such thing as "rapism"--people are not genetically predisposed to rape people, so

categorical slippery slope fallacy, bud
try harder

Quote from: Fruitcake on October 25, 2015, 07:37:04 PM

If you could fix my brain so that I didn't want to be a girl, without also changing who I am (Brains are funny things), then I'd be all for it

But, it's a lot easier to change someone's body than to change their brain, I'm not sure how you'd be able to tell or convince me it's ok to be a guy when I've been trying to tell myself that for the past 7 years

Nobody knows how yet. The problem is nobody seems to be trying to figure it out. We're just fucking with people's bodies and hoping for the best.

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It's not like I suddenly wanted to be trans,

Nobody has even implied that.

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I wish I wasn't, it'd be fantastic to wake up in the morning and not hate what I see in the mirror because I think it's wrong even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. I spent a really long time trying to not be trans, that didn't work. What am I supposed to do?

You can't just suddenly not be trans, unfortunately. Just like you can't pray the gay away.

Honestly, do whatever makes you happy. I'm just saying we need to cure the problem you have. Not treat it like a civil rights interview.

For me, the "Civil Rights Interview" is just that I don't want to be seen differently or have it effect how I'm treated. I don't want to be some special snowflake, all I'm really asking for is to just not have it effect my social life. It's something that should be between my doctor and I and potentially my significant other, if that ever happens. (Not saying I shouldn't tell people, I just mean I'd like it to not affect anything)

Not saying this to anyone in particular, that's just how I see that whole part of the issue.

If someone does come up with a better way for dealing with gender dysphoria, then I'm all for it, I'm just not waiting around for that to happen and doing nothing is not helping. Until it can be cured, or whatever happens, I just want to be treated normally. Going both ways of course, I don't expect nor want special treatment regarding this either.

Pretty sure we've had this thread before. I honestly had to check the date to see if this was necrobumped.

Acting like the fact that medical transition isn't 100% effective at preventing symptoms of dysphoria and preventing suicide is a reason we should just trash the method is just you letting your bias cause more harm than good. You propose no alternatives other than drowning dysphoric people in antidepressants, which they can already do while or instead of trying medical transition. You continue to dodge addressing the fact that there are countless successful transitions, and that those people would be depressed or dead without the current process. "Fix the problem don't accommodate it!", fuck you. The problem is that their incongruence causes them anguish, reducing that incongruity can fix that problem. It doesn't in some cases, but no medical process is 100% effective, and in this case there certainly aren't any more effective methods.