n response to serious concerns raised over Islamic doctrines related to jihad, martyrdom, apostasy, and blasphemy—along with their incontrovertible link to terrorism, threats of violence, cartoon “controversies,” and the like—one generally meets with petulance, feigned confusion, half-truths, and non sequiturs. Apologists for Islam have even sought to defend their faith from criticism by inventing a psychological disorder known as “Islamophobia.” My friend Ayaan Hirsi Ali is said to be suffering from it. Though she was circumcised as a girl by religious barbarians (as 98 percent of Somali girls still are) has been in constant flight from theocrats ever since, and must retain a bodyguard everywhere she goes, even her criticism of Islam is viewed as a form of “bigotry” and “racism” by many “moderate” Muslims. And yet, moderate Muslims should be the first to observe how obscene Muslim bullying is—and they should be the first to defend the right of public intellectuals, cartoonists, and novelists to criticize the faith.There is no such thing as Islamophobia. Bigotry and racism exist, of course—and they are evils that all well-intentioned people must oppose. And prejudice against Muslims or Arabs, purely because of the accident of their birth, is despicable. But like all religions, Islam is a system of ideas and practices. And it is not a form of bigotry or racism to observe that the specific tenets of the faith pose a special threat to civil society. Nor is it a sign of intolerance to notice when people are simply not being honest about what they and their co-religionists believe.
What I find really annoying is the frequency of some people to try to label critics of islam as racists.
Quote from: RustingFloor on October 01, 2014, 12:48:34 PMWhat I find really annoying is the frequency of some people to try to label critics of islam as racists.Religion as a measure of accuracy is equally wrong among all supernatural claims and beliefs. When you pick out 'Islam' as far worse than other religions, what you're really criticizing is culture, and to which end you don't need to be Islamic to support and practice. Likewise, you can be Islamic and be fairly liberal/libertarian as well. The culture is simply conservative, not necessarily Islamic.Or at least that's a distinction I would make.
Quote from: Dustin on October 01, 2014, 06:26:48 PMQuote from: RustingFloor on October 01, 2014, 12:48:34 PMWhat I find really annoying is the frequency of some people to try to label critics of islam as racists.Religion as a measure of accuracy is equally wrong among all supernatural claims and beliefs. When you pick out 'Islam' as far worse than other religions, what you're really criticizing is culture, and to which end you don't need to be Islamic to support and practice. Likewise, you can be Islamic and be fairly liberal/libertarian as well. The culture is simply conservative, not necessarily Islamic.Or at least that's a distinction I would make.The culture of islamic communities is almost wholly based around the rules and social guidelines set forth by the religion.You cannot separate Islam from Islamic culture because the religion sets forth guidelines for a culture.
Quote from: RustingFloor on October 01, 2014, 10:38:17 PMQuote from: Dustin on October 01, 2014, 06:26:48 PMQuote from: RustingFloor on October 01, 2014, 12:48:34 PMWhat I find really annoying is the frequency of some people to try to label critics of islam as racists.Religion as a measure of accuracy is equally wrong among all supernatural claims and beliefs. When you pick out 'Islam' as far worse than other religions, what you're really criticizing is culture, and to which end you don't need to be Islamic to support and practice. Likewise, you can be Islamic and be fairly liberal/libertarian as well. The culture is simply conservative, not necessarily Islamic.Or at least that's a distinction I would make.The culture of islamic communities is almost wholly based around the rules and social guidelines set forth by the religion.You cannot separate Islam from Islamic culture because the religion sets forth guidelines for a culture.uuuurrgggh.Islamic culture or i would say the middle eastern culture which is right now being heavily influenced by Wahabi culture is the poster boy for Islam. Funny thing is most of Islams followers are not in the middle east. Indonesia and Malaysia have the biggest muslim population and have a totally different practices. Some rules are questionable dependent on sect and cultural background. Genital mutilation of femals is solely practiced in set number of muslim communities while most muslim do not have this custom. It depends what muslim is, but muslim is a culture that defines a set group of people usually of middle easter descent, or Indo descent.
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.
It's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nation
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 09:08:00 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.My mistake. Just woke up and I don't make much sense during the morningsI'm guessing you meant Arabs.
Quote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.My mistake. Just woke up and I don't make much sense during the mornings
Quote from: Risay117 on October 02, 2014, 09:02:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.Well religion usually divides people on ethnic lines. Imagine this, you say muslim who do you think, the brown people. The religion has been tied to a race in the foreign world.There are many races of people that are Muslim. I don't really think of a specific type of person because I just don't think like that.
Quote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.Well religion usually divides people on ethnic lines. Imagine this, you say muslim who do you think, the brown people. The religion has been tied to a race in the foreign world.
Quote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:10:50 AMQuote from: Risay117 on October 02, 2014, 09:02:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.Well religion usually divides people on ethnic lines. Imagine this, you say muslim who do you think, the brown people. The religion has been tied to a race in the foreign world.There are many races of people that are Muslim. I don't really think of a specific type of person because I just don't think like that.You might not but quite a number of people do. But the freedom to practice your religion and being discriminated based on your religion is wrong. I mean is Judaism a race or a religion. Remember people convert to Judaism, so ethically they are not. But if you criticize them you are labeled an anti-semite. Mainly calling you out as a racist. So the problem is are you a muslim or not if you practice a religion or not.Salman Rushdie calls himself a muslim although he does not practice Islam. Saying his father was a muslim and so he is too. This is mainly a case where culture and religion blend so close together and people present a religion to be their background culture.
Quote from: Risay117 on October 02, 2014, 10:32:52 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:10:50 AMQuote from: Risay117 on October 02, 2014, 09:02:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on October 02, 2014, 09:00:53 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 08:48:13 AMIt's the distinction where people associate Muslims with Islam. Kinda like the term African-American where it's a implication that all people from Africa are black but it's not the case since South Africa is a large white African nationSeeing how Muslims are followers of Islam, your post makes no sense.Well religion usually divides people on ethnic lines. Imagine this, you say muslim who do you think, the brown people. The religion has been tied to a race in the foreign world.There are many races of people that are Muslim. I don't really think of a specific type of person because I just don't think like that.You might not but quite a number of people do. But the freedom to practice your religion and being discriminated based on your religion is wrong. I mean is Judaism a race or a religion. Remember people convert to Judaism, so ethically they are not. But if you criticize them you are labeled an anti-semite. Mainly calling you out as a racist. So the problem is are you a muslim or not if you practice a religion or not.Salman Rushdie calls himself a muslim although he does not practice Islam. Saying his father was a muslim and so he is too. This is mainly a case where culture and religion blend so close together and people present a religion to be their background culture.Freedom of religion=/=freedom from criticism
Yes but when you are discriminated based on your religion. When people fear you because of your religion, it is a problem.
Yes but when you are discriminated based on your religion. When people fear you because of your religion, it is a problem.Islamophobia is mainly the fear of Islam or the followers of the faith. Cause my parents are muslim am i being of fear, someone who may kill you. I know muslims have caused some horrible acts but i would never fear a person based on their religion or discriminate based on their religion. But it happens, and is mainly because of people not know who muslims are.
Why is Islamophobia a thing?
