Question: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another.
Apparently people think its okay that Rick Ross's fatass made a song about assassinating Trump. But god forbid anyone who made a song about killing Obama or Hillary.
Quote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"
Quote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?
Quote from: Jono on December 12, 2015, 03:47:05 AMApparently people think its okay that Rick Ross's fatass made a song about assassinating Trump. But god forbid anyone who made a song about killing Obama or Hillary.Tbf he lost a lot of weight
Quote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.
Quote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:05:20 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.That makes more sense than your first post, but now I have to ask what kind of sharing you're talking about, and whether or not Muslims need to be in America to do so.
Quote from: Jono on December 12, 2015, 03:47:05 AMApparently people think its okay that Rick Ross's fatass made a song about assassinating Trump. But god forbid anyone who made a song about killing Obama or Hillary.How are you gonna be Latino and be defending Trump
Quote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?America has no culture
Quote from: challengerX on December 12, 2015, 10:29:46 AMQuote from: Jono on December 12, 2015, 03:47:05 AMApparently people think its okay that Rick Ross's fatass made a song about assassinating Trump. But god forbid anyone who made a song about killing Obama or Hillary.How are you gonna be Latino and be defending TrumpI don't defend him or support him, but the idiots who hate him just for the sake of hating him or compare him to Hitler is hilarious.
Quote from: Jono on December 12, 2015, 04:09:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 12, 2015, 10:29:46 AMQuote from: Jono on December 12, 2015, 03:47:05 AMApparently people think its okay that Rick Ross's fatass made a song about assassinating Trump. But god forbid anyone who made a song about killing Obama or Hillary.How are you gonna be Latino and be defending TrumpI don't defend him or support him, but the idiots who hate him just for the sake of hating him or compare him to Hitler is hilarious.http://www.salon.com/2015/12/10/no_trump_isnt_the_next_hitler_but_his_real_historical_comparison_is_still_scary/This is a pretty interesting read for a more proper comparison.
]>Popup video/audio ads>clickbait titlesAre you sure you can't find a better source? Especially since media bias against Trump is ridiculously high?
Quote from: Essessen on December 12, 2015, 06:21:48 PM]>Popup video/audio ads>clickbait titlesAre you sure you can't find a better source? Especially since media bias against Trump is ridiculously high?I'm sure I can find a much better one. You just underestimate how lazy I am for a decent read.I did learn from that though that Ford hated Jews. I was never aware of any of that stuff he did. What a fuck.
Quote from: Luciana on December 12, 2015, 10:01:00 PMQuote from: Essessen on December 12, 2015, 06:21:48 PM]>Popup video/audio ads>clickbait titlesAre you sure you can't find a better source? Especially since media bias against Trump is ridiculously high?I'm sure I can find a much better one. You just underestimate how lazy I am for a decent read.I did learn from that though that Ford hated Jews. I was never aware of any of that stuff he did. What a fuck.He was antisemitic, supported Hitler and stuff. Still 10/10
Quote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 04:17:56 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:05:20 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.That makes more sense than your first post, but now I have to ask what kind of sharing you're talking about, and whether or not Muslims need to be in America to do so.Integration and understanding of one another's culture is basically something that's always happened throughout history. Cultures that attempt to stay stagnant and "hidden" from the remainder of the world tend to end up poorly.Now, this isn't saying that we should leave other, more "primitive" (from a technological point of view) cultures on their own, but we also shouldn't be scared of naturally adopting aspects from other cultures through integration.
Quote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:54:53 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 04:17:56 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:05:20 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.That makes more sense than your first post, but now I have to ask what kind of sharing you're talking about, and whether or not Muslims need to be in America to do so.Integration and understanding of one another's culture is basically something that's always happened throughout history. Cultures that attempt to stay stagnant and "hidden" from the remainder of the world tend to end up poorly.Now, this isn't saying that we should leave other, more "primitive" (from a technological point of view) cultures on their own, but we also shouldn't be scared of naturally adopting aspects from other cultures through integration.So are you saying that America is stagnant and has been hiding it's culture from the world because it lacks Muslims? And what aspects of Muslims culture are you proposing Americans adopt?
Quote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 11:30:47 PMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:54:53 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 04:17:56 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:05:20 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.That makes more sense than your first post, but now I have to ask what kind of sharing you're talking about, and whether or not Muslims need to be in America to do so.Integration and understanding of one another's culture is basically something that's always happened throughout history. Cultures that attempt to stay stagnant and "hidden" from the remainder of the world tend to end up poorly.Now, this isn't saying that we should leave other, more "primitive" (from a technological point of view) cultures on their own, but we also shouldn't be scared of naturally adopting aspects from other cultures through integration.So are you saying that America is stagnant and has been hiding it's culture from the world because it lacks Muslims? And what aspects of Muslims culture are you proposing Americans adopt?I think she's talking more generally rather than specifically Muslims and America. People moving into a new country should be expected to be able to freely express their original culture and ideas while also adopting the ideas and culture of the place they moved to. Think the Maori peoples in the 60's and 70's with the revival of their culture and more integration of it in NZ society, compared to the decline and essential erasing of their culture in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While not two completely different cultures coming together from opposite sides of the world, it's an example of what Cindy's talking about.hope you get what i mean im bad at this whole discussion thing
Quote from: Fruitcake on December 13, 2015, 01:20:22 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 11:30:47 PMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:54:53 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 04:17:56 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 04:05:20 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Cindy Claus on December 12, 2015, 03:51:10 AMQuote from: Cadenza on December 12, 2015, 03:44:14 AMQuestion: why would Muslims ever want to go to America considering it's not an Islamic country and never will be, and furthermore why would you want to bring Muslims into your non Muslim country?Looking from the outside American culture and Muslim culture appear incompatible with one another."Why would we not want cultures to remain stagnant for the remainder of eternity?"You're really begging the question there. How does Muslim culture improve American culture? and if it doesn't, why would you advocate for it?Cultures don't have to "improve upon" or "take away from" other cultures to be beneficial. Culture sharing is beneficial at its core.Do I advocate for Americans to start following Shariah Law and wearing hijabs? No, of course not, but I don't advocate for anyone to do these things and would say that moving past odd laws like that is one of the great benefits of culture sharing.That makes more sense than your first post, but now I have to ask what kind of sharing you're talking about, and whether or not Muslims need to be in America to do so.Integration and understanding of one another's culture is basically something that's always happened throughout history. Cultures that attempt to stay stagnant and "hidden" from the remainder of the world tend to end up poorly.Now, this isn't saying that we should leave other, more "primitive" (from a technological point of view) cultures on their own, but we also shouldn't be scared of naturally adopting aspects from other cultures through integration.So are you saying that America is stagnant and has been hiding it's culture from the world because it lacks Muslims? And what aspects of Muslims culture are you proposing Americans adopt?I think she's talking more generally rather than specifically Muslims and America. People moving into a new country should be expected to be able to freely express their original culture and ideas while also adopting the ideas and culture of the place they moved to. Think the Maori peoples in the 60's and 70's with the revival of their culture and more integration of it in NZ society, compared to the decline and essential erasing of their culture in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. While not two completely different cultures coming together from opposite sides of the world, it's an example of what Cindy's talking about.hope you get what i mean im bad at this whole discussion thingI do see your point, but I am talking specifically about Muslims in America, two cultures that seem incompatible, whereas Maori and British culture are more capable of coexisting.
I couldn't answer that, however I remember hearing that Muslims living in the US were more moderate than Muslims living elsewhere, perhaps the reason is because the US integrates different cultures so well? I'd have to look into it to give you a definitive answer.
Quote from: Fruitcake on December 13, 2015, 03:11:52 AM]I couldn't answer that, however I remember hearing that Muslims living in the US were more moderate than Muslims living elsewhere, perhaps the reason is because the US integrates different cultures so well? I'd have to look into it to give you a definitive answer.Muslims in America have literally never been crazy and integrated well into America and their culture. The religion doesn't impede any of that in the slightest over here to my knowledge. You don't ever hear Americans here crying out for Sharia Law, or "dancing on the streets" during 9/11 or some other crazy crap.The people saying Muslims in America aren't compatible with American culture and values have probably never once even thought about that until it was brought up by media or polls or some shit. I guarantee you the people on this website who believe that, wouldn't have said that even so much as 5 months ago. It seems Americans are always looking to pin their problems and paranoia's on something, be it blacks, communists, mexicans, or more recently, Muslims.People need to understand that blaming issues entirely on one race or religion is extremely dangerous and a slippery slope. It really says something about the state we're in when legit questions in our presidential race are talking about deporting thousands of people, or barring people entirely from this country based on a country they came from, or religion they may have.We've tried barring people from our country before under the auspices they were dangerous, a threat to American values, and the other stuff you've heard. They were called the Jews and they were fleeing from Nazi Germany. We decided to ignore the real horrible shit going on and just brand them all under one label. Really swell how that one worked out for us.Now we can't stop licking Israel's asshole out of our guilt for it.
]I couldn't answer that, however I remember hearing that Muslims living in the US were more moderate than Muslims living elsewhere, perhaps the reason is because the US integrates different cultures so well? I'd have to look into it to give you a definitive answer.
Not exactly dancing in the street but:YouTubeMoreover what I'm concerned about is that publicly trying to lay any blame on culture, race, or political ideology that isn't European/white/nationalist isn't allowed. Maybe just maybe Islam isn't very peaceful, maybe blacks and Hispanics are more violent(http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/). And speaking as someone from an immigrant family, there is no goddamn excuse for entering a country illegally, comply with the system or don't enter at all; so it is quite justified to remove those people.Also it's almost midnight for me too so i'm happy to put this conversation aside for another time.
Quote from: Cadenza on December 13, 2015, 04:53:31 AMNot exactly dancing in the street but:YouTubeMoreover what I'm concerned about is that publicly trying to lay any blame on culture, race, or political ideology that isn't European/white/nationalist isn't allowed. Maybe just maybe Islam isn't very peaceful, maybe blacks and Hispanics are more violent(http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/). And speaking as someone from an immigrant family, there is no goddamn excuse for entering a country illegally, comply with the system or don't enter at all; so it is quite justified to remove those people.Also it's almost midnight for me too so i'm happy to put this conversation aside for another time.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/There is a more detailed version on the dancing in the street. A few people doing a few stupid things shouldn't suddenly = the entire people being blamed. A few white people shooting up schools shouldn't suddenly mean all white people are dangerous, right? Or one pro-life guy shooting up that Planned Parenthood place? Not all pro-life people are bad right? Funny thing is though that if he was Muslim, it'd be portrayed entirely differently.And people in poverty tend to be a bit more violent for a variety of reasons. Some of which I'm sure you know. Islam in the US has never really been a problem at all. We can bring up remote incidents I suppose, but you can't really sit here and tell me the religion isn't compatible with American values, when they've been here for a long long time and have led perfectly normal lives, abiding by the law, and making dosh. If you wanna talk about incompatible, just look at a shit ton of conservative people trying to still deny human rights like work places discriminating against gays and what not. THAT'S incompatible.And yes I agree with you on illegal immigration being bad, but to propose barring them off from a chance to immigrate at all is nothing short of lunacy to me. Hell, let them try to enter the normal way anyway. I bet our immigration system will make them want to give up anyway given how complicated and stupid it is.And on another random note, your name reminds me way too much of this certain character and it distracts meSpoiler
>Japs get locked in internment camps and no one bats an eye
Quote from: JUSTFLUXMYSHITUP on December 15, 2015, 12:59:25 PM>Japs get locked in internment camps and no one bats an eyeWhere do people keep getting this idea?
Why do liberals view Trumps Muslim ban negatively?
