Why didn't the Jews fight back?

Matt · July 11, 2015, 02:08:29 AM

I would like to know why the Jews didn't fight back, it's a big question of mine about history. Some did, there were camp riots, but not nearly enough.

Mr. Psychologist · July 11, 2015, 02:46:17 AM

If you quote-reply to me ITT in about 30 mins or so, I'll see the notification when I get back from work and I can perhaps try to explain some of the psychology behind it <.<
Maybe not the best explanations, but I can give it a shot.

Pendulate · July 11, 2015, 03:17:16 AM

I think there's sufficient grounds to ban this guy from Serious.

Matt · July 11, 2015, 03:55:27 AM

Excuse me for having questions, I don't believe everything that's spoon-fed to me.

Kitsune 狐 · July 11, 2015, 04:00:46 AM

Just realized this was in serious... Uhm probably because they were a peaceful folk like the pagans?

My bad..

Spoiler

Too weak to fight and hold all their jew gold hordes.

DAS B00T x2 · July 11, 2015, 04:07:56 AM

Jews can't fight. They devote themselves to controlling the banks instead.

Flee · July 11, 2015, 05:50:15 AM

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Genghis Khan · July 11, 2015, 06:00:04 AM

All the countries surrendered in Europe.

Mattie G Indahouse · July 11, 2015, 06:12:19 AM

Jews weren't the only ones targeted by the Nazi's.

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Mr. Psychologist · July 11, 2015, 06:45:12 AM

Hokai, thank you flee for the reminder <.<

Some did fight back, they usually ended up being shot in the process or worse. Overt resistance movements were fairly rare iirc, it was mostly a matter of keeping their heads down and GTFOing as quickly as possible. The ones who weren't smart enough or lucky enough to get away to somewhere like the UK ended up on the trains.

So to the best of my thinking it comes down to a couple of points, human survival instinct (ironic) and obedience to authority in a reverse way to the way it's normally applied (To the grunts holding the rifles)

In a situation where you are with your family on a train being sent to a prison camp, you would expect to survive by being interned and forced to work, not just gassed and burned. You wouldn't be likely to just go up and start whaling on a guard with your bare hands because he has a gun and 30 friends with guns. So they keep their heads down and walk into the shower room meekly, then they are gassed and they die.

If they knew that their options were simply; die fighting or die screaming then some would likely have gone for the guards and died on the end of a rifle with some dignity but as this information was kept from them in the moment their best option appears to be going along with the crowd.

Bear in mind it's also civilians here, not soldiers or terrorists. Women, Children, the Elderly and the husbands/fathers/sons all lumped in together. They stand next to no chance against the trained soldiers who are well armed and equipped, in towers and with MGs.

Then the obedience to authority section, if a man with a gun and a lot of uniformed friends with guns screams at you get on the train or I'll shoot you into swiss cheese. Chances are you'd just get on the train.

Turkey · July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM

Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.

Genghis Khan · July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM

Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.

I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.

Mr. Psychologist · July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.

They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.

Deleted · July 11, 2015, 04:10:23 PM

Inb4 mericans and their " Muh Guns would have saved them comments"

More Than Mortal · July 11, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on July 11, 2015, 04:10:23 PM

Inb4 mericans and their " Muh Guns would have saved them comments"

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Korra · July 11, 2015, 04:28:41 PM

Nazi ubersoldaten were too much for them

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Thun · July 11, 2015, 07:20:22 PM

Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 11, 2015, 04:07:56 AM

Jews can't fight. They devote themselves to controlling the banks instead.

Oh they can fight. They just needed guerrilla tactics training and Daniel Craig to inspire them.

Matt · July 12, 2015, 02:53:55 PM

This meme thread really got 19 posts?

Girl of Mystery · July 12, 2015, 03:16:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.

~~obligatory the french have won dozens of wars post~~

I mean lol I agree

Mr. Psychologist · July 12, 2015, 03:49:28 PM

Quote from: Le Mon man on July 12, 2015, 03:16:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
~~obligatory the french have won dozens of wars post~~

I mean lol I agree

The only war they won that was actually worth anything was the 1066 conquest <_<

Thun · July 12, 2015, 10:26:49 PM

Quote from: Suarez on July 11, 2015, 07:20:22 PM

Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 11, 2015, 04:07:56 AM
Jews can't fight. They devote themselves to controlling the banks instead.
Oh they can fight. They just needed guerrilla tactics training and Daniel Craig to inspire them.

props for getting the reference, DAS.

Genghis Khan · July 14, 2015, 07:07:17 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 12, 2015, 03:49:28 PM

Quote from: Le Mon man on July 12, 2015, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
~~obligatory the french have won dozens of wars post~~

I mean lol I agree
The only war they won that was actually worth anything was the 1066 conquest <_<

And the battle of Tours, but Charles Martel apparently was not french.

Mr. Psychologist · July 14, 2015, 07:11:10 AM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 14, 2015, 07:07:17 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 12, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Le Mon man on July 12, 2015, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
~~obligatory the french have won dozens of wars post~~

I mean lol I agree
The only war they won that was actually worth anything was the 1066 conquest <_<
And the battle of Tours, but Charles Martel apparently was not french.

Hmm yeah

Saleem · July 17, 2015, 04:17:08 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM

Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.

What about the Résistance in occupied France? I doubt they got French Revolution bad, but still aught to have caused some trouble.

Mr. Psychologist · July 17, 2015, 05:25:43 AM

Quote from: Saleem on July 17, 2015, 04:17:08 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
What about the Résistance in occupied France? I doubt they got French Revolution bad, but still aught to have caused some trouble.

They did actually do a grand job, this is just the usual Frogs/Bongs sniping that goes on <.<

T6 · July 17, 2015, 06:17:26 AM

A little bit hard to do that

Korra · July 17, 2015, 08:50:49 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 17, 2015, 05:25:43 AM

Quote from: Saleem on July 17, 2015, 04:17:08 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on July 11, 2015, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on July 11, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on July 11, 2015, 09:12:57 AM
Why didn't the Japanese-Americans fight back? Why didn't black slaves fight back? Why didn't the Irish fight ba- oh, bad example. Anyways, they really had no means to do so. They were starved and worked, with no tools or means for organization.
I think the better question would be why didn't the French fight back? Jews could have been safe there.
They did, they just did the usual frenchman's job of it and surrendered after a few broken baguettes and a couple of squashed bries.
What about the Résistance in occupied France? I doubt they got French Revolution bad, but still aught to have caused some trouble.
They did actually do a grand job, this is just the usual Frogs/Bongs sniping that goes on <.<

UK > Le Frunce