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The Great Depression, and World War II would like a word with you.

Again, all of that fiscal stimulus did fuck all for the Depression.

Fiscal policies are terrible at stabilising/reviving aggregate demand.

Best: Washington, Jefferson, Kennedy, Reagan

Worst: Harding, Grant, FDR, Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama 

Are people seriously hating on FDR? What the fuck is this shit.

New Deal was largely unnecessary.

I'm no expect on the Depression, but the general consensus is that the government royally, royally bollocksed it.

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Are people seriously hating on FDR? What the fuck is this shit.

New Deal was largely unnecessary.

I'm no expect on the Depression, but the general consensus is that the government royally, royally bollocksed it.

The only thing the New Deal managed to get done was increase the national debt. It was WWII that ended it

Well. you're in no position to call him a fascist when you support the militarisation of the police.

You're also in position to claim to be right-wing economically, when you support high businesses taxes and protectionist measures.

Jimmy carter was the best president because he was the honest pathetic peanut man the nation needed

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Are people seriously hating on FDR? What the fuck is this shit.

>MexiKin
>Thinking anybody takes him seriously

Oh dear.

>gets btfd
>knows its true

It's "BTFO", dork.

As usual you put a right wing twist on everything because you're a fascist. Just like all the shit you say about Obama is bullshit and exaggerated.

So no, I at least know not to take your dumb ass seriously. You can state your opinions all you like, but they're irrelevant. I'm not going to write an essay to prove you wrong and then have you devolve into ad hominem and denial to save face after I destroy your pathetic argument. Nothing will come of it because you're too stupid to see the truth. I have better things to do than to debate with someone who is wrong and won't accept that they're wrong no matter how much proof I shove in their face.

It's like when Bill Nye was debating Ken Ham. There was Bill Nye stating facts and being right, and there was a dumbass acting like fiction is reality. You're Ken Ham.

People like you are enemies of the state, of the entire human species. You're not democrats, you're not even interested in democracy or equality or even economic growth. You're in it for yourselves, but you're too cowardly to admit that. You're too cowardly to really speak your opinions, so you subtly imply things instead. I'm not wasting my time with a fascist. You people need to be shot down and hung in the streets like the parasites you are.

FUCKING LOL, how much of a tool can you even be?

Fun fact time! I'm only right-wing when it comes to economics. I'm more left when it comes to social issues, but you're delusional mind wants you to thinks otherwise. It's even more hilarious that what I posted is factual correct and you're just dodging it, making a tremendous retard of yourself.

If I was so bent on the right-wing, then why do I regard JFK as one of the best presidents? He was a Democrat and a left-winger. Just more evident that you only think what you want and cancel everything else out that contradicts what you think. Plus, if I was so right-wing, then why do I hold Bush, a Republican, as one of the worst presidents?

And fucking lol at you accusing me of going to use insults when right after you begin to insult me. Your nothing more than a brainwashed fool who will criticize somebody's opinion, even if it's factually correct, if it doesn't agree with yours. That's what an actual fascist like yourself would do

You're the real enemy here and the sooner a 8.0 magnitude earthquake happens in California, the sooner you will die and the threat will cease to exist

So, if you're going to derail this thread and not directly comment on facts then my business is just about over here, you assmad, delusional fascist piece of shit tool

Nope, you're fully right wing. Remember when you said "I learned the lies of the Democrats." and "I fully support the Tea Party."? Exactly.

I'm not dodging anything, I just know better than to waste time on somebody who has a double digit IQ. You'll lose the argument and then go into denial. There no point, I've already done this before.

Probably because he got shot before he could really do anything. All right wingers have turned their back on Bush,  you'd be hard pressed to find one of the faggots that voted for him that still support him.

I don't live in California. Again, more right wing rhetoric. "HURR DURR I HOPE CALIFURNYA SINKS INTO DA OCEAN". I can see your inbred face now imagining that.

You realize calling me a fascist when I talk about hating fascists and all right wing politicians is retarded right? You realize you look like a complete retard? You don't? Don't worry, I already knew "you assmad, delusional fascist piece of shit tool". Did you come up with that one all by yourself? Do the world a favor and go drink some bleach.

Your anger burns brighter than a thousand suns. Yes, I USED to be on the side of the Tea Party, that was last year. Another fun fact is that a person's opinion can change. And here's another fact, I don't have to be Democrat to support left-wing policies.

Please, provide how my IQ is double digit? Because I'm the one trying to have an intelligent discussion by using facts when you come in, derail, go into denial, and launch the shit-slinging catapult. If anybody here is going to have a double digit IQ, it's going to be you. But IQ is a very abstract term and there isn't one test out there that can measure a person's intelligence; there's a reason why you can stumble upon 100s and 100s of these tests; they're subjective and will reveal a different result each time

I remember you posting that you live in California/from it. Sorry I don't take the time to to know where you currently reside. What's funny is that after you get pissy about me making assumptions about where you live, you turn around and make an assumption that I'm a hick. Two wrongs don't make a right here and what you said is typical Democrat talk to avoid a discussion

Now you're trying to move the goal posts in your favor? How lovely. Let's go over some of Kennedy's accomplishments

- Promised federal funding for education, medical care for the elderly, economic aid to rural regions, and government intervention to halt the recession

- Proposed substantial tax reform and a reduction in income tax rates from the current range of 20–90% to a range of 14–65%; he proposed a reduction in the corporate tax rates from 52 to 47%

- Ended a period of tight fiscal policies, loosening monetary policy to keep interest rates down and encourage growth of the economy

- His first budget in 1961 led to the country's first non-war, non-recession deficit

- GDP expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963, while inflation remained steady at around 1% and unemployment eased.

- Abolished the mandatory death penalty for first degree murder in the District of Columbia

- Signed Executive Order 10925 which required government contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed and that employees are treated during employment without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.

- Signed Executive Order 11063, prohibiting racial discrimination in federally supported housing or "related facilities"

- Pressed the U.S to make space travel, and eventually become the first nation to land two men on the moon

Short list of what Kennedy accomplished in just a 2-year period. He is and should by all be regarded as one of the best American presidents

Tell me, what's wrong with police having body armor and a rifle? There's literally nothing wrong with such. I know police officers and have family in law enforcement. They're normal people who are wanting to serve their community and protect the people from danger. Part of that is giving them the equipment to do so effectively

There's so much wrong with it. The over-use of SWAT in recent years should give anybody pause enough to reconsider. And given the social estrangement happening between regular people and the police, it shouldn't be exacerbated by turning them into a paramilitary group and allowing them to implement ad-hoc martial law. They don't need a rifle or body armour.

I just support businesses being taxed. And I support a reduction on corporate income taxes to a percentage close to the European average, as the American average is one of the highest in the world

That's fair enough but the brunt of my point lay in the protectionism.

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Quote from: challengerX on September 08, 2014, 05:10:08 AM

Are people seriously hating on FDR? What the fuck is this shit.

>MexiKin
>Thinking anybody takes him seriously

Oh dear.

>gets btfd
>knows its true

It's "BTFO", dork.

As usual you put a right wing twist on everything because you're a fascist. Just like all the shit you say about Obama is bullshit and exaggerated.

So no, I at least know not to take your dumb ass seriously. You can state your opinions all you like, but they're irrelevant. I'm not going to write an essay to prove you wrong and then have you devolve into ad hominem and denial to save face after I destroy your pathetic argument. Nothing will come of it because you're too stupid to see the truth. I have better things to do than to debate with someone who is wrong and won't accept that they're wrong no matter how much proof I shove in their face.

It's like when Bill Nye was debating Ken Ham. There was Bill Nye stating facts and being right, and there was a dumbass acting like fiction is reality. You're Ken Ham.

People like you are enemies of the state, of the entire human species. You're not democrats, you're not even interested in democracy or equality or even economic growth. You're in it for yourselves, but you're too cowardly to admit that. You're too cowardly to really speak your opinions, so you subtly imply things instead. I'm not wasting my time with a fascist. You people need to be shot down and hung in the streets like the parasites you are.

FUCKING LOL, how much of a tool can you even be?

Fun fact time! I'm only right-wing when it comes to economics. I'm more left when it comes to social issues, but you're delusional mind wants you to thinks otherwise. It's even more hilarious that what I posted is factual correct and you're just dodging it, making a tremendous retard of yourself.

If I was so bent on the right-wing, then why do I regard JFK as one of the best presidents? He was a Democrat and a left-winger. Just more evident that you only think what you want and cancel everything else out that contradicts what you think. Plus, if I was so right-wing, then why do I hold Bush, a Republican, as one of the worst presidents?

And fucking lol at you accusing me of going to use insults when right after you begin to insult me. Your nothing more than a brainwashed fool who will criticize somebody's opinion, even if it's factually correct, if it doesn't agree with yours. That's what an actual fascist like yourself would do

You're the real enemy here and the sooner a 8.0 magnitude earthquake happens in California, the sooner you will die and the threat will cease to exist

So, if you're going to derail this thread and not directly comment on facts then my business is just about over here, you assmad, delusional fascist piece of shit tool

Nope, you're fully right wing. Remember when you said "I learned the lies of the Democrats." and "I fully support the Tea Party."? Exactly.

I'm not dodging anything, I just know better than to waste time on somebody who has a double digit IQ. You'll lose the argument and then go into denial. There no point, I've already done this before.

Probably because he got shot before he could really do anything. All right wingers have turned their back on Bush,  you'd be hard pressed to find one of the faggots that voted for him that still support him.

I don't live in California. Again, more right wing rhetoric. "HURR DURR I HOPE CALIFURNYA SINKS INTO DA OCEAN". I can see your inbred face now imagining that.

You realize calling me a fascist when I talk about hating fascists and all right wing politicians is retarded right? You realize you look like a complete retard? You don't? Don't worry, I already knew "you assmad, delusional fascist piece of shit tool". Did you come up with that one all by yourself? Do the world a favor and go drink some bleach.

Your anger burns brighter than a thousand suns. Yes, I USED to be on the side of the Tea Party, that was last year. Another fun fact is that a person's opinion can change. And here's another fact, I don't have to be Democrat to support left-wing policies.

Please, provide how my IQ is double digit? Because I'm the one trying to have an intelligent discussion by using facts when you come in, derail, go into denial, and launch the shit-slinging catapult. If anybody here is going to have a double digit IQ, it's going to be you. But IQ is a very abstract term and there isn't one test out there that can measure a person's intelligence; there's a reason why you can stumble upon 100s and 100s of these tests; they're subjective and will reveal a different result each time

I remember you posting that you live in California/from it. Sorry I don't take the time to to know where you currently reside. What's funny is that after you get pissy about me making assumptions about where you live, you turn around and make an assumption that I'm a hick. Two wrongs don't make a right here and what you said is typical Democrat talk to avoid a discussion

Now you're trying to move the goal posts in your favor? How lovely. Let's go over some of Kennedy's accomplishments

- Promised federal funding for education, medical care for the elderly, economic aid to rural regions, and government intervention to halt the recession

- Proposed substantial tax reform and a reduction in income tax rates from the current range of 20–90% to a range of 14–65%; he proposed a reduction in the corporate tax rates from 52 to 47%

- Ended a period of tight fiscal policies, loosening monetary policy to keep interest rates down and encourage growth of the economy

- His first budget in 1961 led to the country's first non-war, non-recession deficit

- GDP expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963, while inflation remained steady at around 1% and unemployment eased.

- Abolished the mandatory death penalty for first degree murder in the District of Columbia

- Signed Executive Order 10925 which required government contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed and that employees are treated during employment without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.

- Signed Executive Order 11063, prohibiting racial discrimination in federally supported housing or "related facilities"

- Pressed the U.S to make space travel, and eventually become the first nation to land two men on the moon

Short list of what Kennedy accomplished in just a 2-year period. He is and should by all be regarded as one of the best American presidents

That denial. You're right wing. Supporting the Tea Party a year ago proves that, and so does all the shit you say. That fact that you hop from one political stance to another shows how immature and politically ignorant you are. Not to mention what you say about Obama and Democrats. You're a right wing but in denial pretending to be a libertarian.

>Kinder
>Intelligent discussion
LOL

Saying you have a double digit IQ is another way of saying you're dumb. I'm glad you got all into detail about it and wasted your time typing all that up. Good work, you took an insult 100% seriously.

LOL Taking the joke I made about Kennedy seriously. He is easily one of the best presidents. That doesn't change the fact you talk and act like a right wing nut. You may think you're a libertarian, but you're not. You hate on Obama, yet you like Kennedy? That's funny, because both take the same approach for foreign affairs. Why is it you call Obama a pussy yet Kennedy one of the best presidents ever? Don't bother answering, that's a rhetorical question.

By your logic then I must still be a marxist-lenninst since I used to be a HUGE supporter of communism and socialism. As I said, people can change their beliefs and it's trying to what's right after being educated. I used to be Tea Party because I supported the idea of America. But after learning more about the politicians and becoming more sympathetic to the LGBT community, I begin to realize that I can't support them

As I said, I'm right-wing when it comes to economics but more left-wing when it comes to social issues, with a slight righ-wing take on it. I don't care what you think because I know what I am and where my beliefs lay. But no party out there perfectly fits what I, and others, think and the Libertarians come the closest to my ideas

Here's the kicker, if I said what you just said, especially about the whole Kennedy thing, you'd say I'm doing "damge control".  Well guess what, you just are going into full damage control mode

But I am going to give my answer. The difference between Obama and Kennedy foreign policies is the threats faced. Kennedy had to deal with a super power actually capable of large scale attacks (Russia) and a situation where countries had the actual capablities of launching nukes (Cuba and Russia). Obama has to deal with some guys running around who can't do any harm outside of the Middle-East and even more so is that they exist as a by-product of American policies