Who was the best and worst President in US history?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 06:41:26 PM

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More Than Mortal · September 07, 2014, 06:45:28 PM

Best: Grover Cleveland.

Worst: Woodrow Wilson or Abe Lincoln.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 06:47:41 PM

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Septy · September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM

FDR was pretty good.

More Than Mortal · September 07, 2014, 06:56:39 PM

Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM

FDR was pretty good.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM

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More Than Mortal · September 07, 2014, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM

Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
FDR was pretty good.
I almost made my worst a four way tie because of him. He is terrible in the fact that he increased the size of the government way too much. Not to mention he made one of the most broken welfare systems in the world.

You might be forgetting the completely fucking retarded fiscal/monetary policies.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 07:02:03 PM

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More Than Mortal · September 07, 2014, 07:02:54 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 07:02:03 PM

Fucking keynesians.

If only Milton Friedman had access to a time machine.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 07:03:25 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · September 07, 2014, 07:04:59 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · September 07, 2014, 07:09:36 PM

Best: Jefferson Davis
Worst: Buchanan. Very indecisive and accomplished nothing besides setting up the nation for a civil war and driving a wedge in between Congress and the white house.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 07:13:14 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · September 07, 2014, 07:17:43 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 07:13:14 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 07, 2014, 07:09:36 PM
Best: Jefferson Davis
Worst: Buchanan. Very indecisive and accomplished nothing besides setting up the nation for a civil war and driving a wedge in between Congress and the white house.
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September 07, 2014, 07:36:19 PM

Best - Monroe
Worst - Truman

Focnr · September 07, 2014, 07:53:43 PM

Definitely has to be Obama.

Dustin · September 07, 2014, 07:59:03 PM

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PSU · September 07, 2014, 08:10:02 PM

Best: Reagan
Worst: Carter

Mad Max · September 07, 2014, 09:41:48 PM

Wait, do people seriously think Obama is one of the worst presidents in US history?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 09:47:52 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · September 07, 2014, 09:49:23 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 09:41:48 PM

Wait, do people seriously think Obama is one of the worst presidents in US history?

Recency bias, or something.

Mad Max · September 07, 2014, 09:50:22 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 09:47:52 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Wait, do people seriously think Obama is one of the worst presidents in US history?
I don't. He really hasn't been necessarily great but he's by far not the worst. Not to mention he's pretty much cockblocked by congress on everything. Overall he's just had to deal with one of the worst congresses in US history.

Yeah. Back in 2008 I was all aboard the Obama hype-train. Now I'm pretty luke-warm about him, but he's far from the worst. The Congress situation sure doesn't help at all.

Korra · September 07, 2014, 10:14:04 PM

Best: Washington, Jefferson, FDR, Teddy, JFK, and Lincoln.

Worst: Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Jackson, Hoover, and Taft.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 10:15:24 PM

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Korra · September 07, 2014, 10:26:09 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 10:15:24 PM

Quote from: Korra on September 07, 2014, 10:14:04 PM
Best: Washington, Jefferson, FDR, Teddy, JFK, and Lincoln.

Worst: Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Jackson, Hoover, and Taft.
Ewww you listed 3 bad ones as your best

I can't hear you over my overflowing freedom.

September 07, 2014, 10:32:37 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM

Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
FDR was pretty good.
I almost made my worst a four way tie because of him. He is terrible in the fact that he increased the size of the government way too much. Not to mention he made one of the most broken welfare systems in the world.

Just forget about the fact that he ended the Depression, created tens of thousands of jobs, and led us through the deadliest war in European history, right?

Mad Max · September 07, 2014, 10:34:25 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 07, 2014, 10:32:37 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
FDR was pretty good.
I almost made my worst a four way tie because of him. He is terrible in the fact that he increased the size of the government way too much. Not to mention he made one of the most broken welfare systems in the world.
Just forget about the fact that he ended the Depression, created tens of thousands of jobs, and led us through the deadliest war in European history, right?

Nobody is 100% bad. Of course even the bad ones did some good things.

September 07, 2014, 10:35:01 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 10:34:25 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 07, 2014, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
FDR was pretty good.
I almost made my worst a four way tie because of him. He is terrible in the fact that he increased the size of the government way too much. Not to mention he made one of the most broken welfare systems in the world.
Just forget about the fact that he ended the Depression, created tens of thousands of jobs, and led us through the deadliest war in European history, right?
Nobody is 100% bad. Of course even the bad ones did some good things.

I'd consider FDR one of the good ones that did some bad things.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 07, 2014, 10:39:01 PM

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September 07, 2014, 10:42:10 PM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 07, 2014, 06:58:07 PM
Quote from: Septy on September 07, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
FDR was pretty good.
I almost made my worst a four way tie because of him. He is terrible in the fact that he increased the size of the government way too much. Not to mention he made one of the most broken welfare systems in the world.
Just forget about the fact that he ended the Depression, created tens of thousands of jobs, and led us through the deadliest war in European history, right?
Well I'm extremely anti big government and he increased the government's size almost more than any other president in history. Not to mention he made the broken welfare system we have today and his fiscal policies were all around terrible. In the end his effects on the economy were negative in the long term.

That's probably why our opinions differ. I'm no fan of big government, but I'm not really that strongly against it. But how does our current welfare system resemble the one he made? I thought his whole idea was making people work for the government to make money (Civilian Conservation Corps and all that).