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So wtf is this?YouTubeA husk? Oh and "I have a brain" seems more true imo.... as we are organisms and our bodu itself is a major extension of our personality. It would be interesting to see what a human brain would do without a body. If it could even perceive the concept of a reality...... If we could somehow interpret what it was "reasoning" it would probably be pretty primal/alien.
you can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:30:47 PMyou can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.WHOOSH
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2015, 11:33:13 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:30:47 PMyou can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.WHOOSHIf you could switch bodies like you can switch shirts, your point would have more merit, but you're stuck with your body, it is a part of you, subconsciously this is fact.
I don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:35:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2015, 11:33:13 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:30:47 PMyou can't switch bodies like you can switch shirts, though.WHOOSHIf you could switch bodies like you can switch shirts, your point would have more merit, but you're stuck with your body, it is a part of you, subconsciously this is fact.The point is that if we could change our bodies, it wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms of our personalities.That's because personality, the self, the thing you call "I", isn't anatomical.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2015, 11:29:40 PMI don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 11, 2015, 11:40:18 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2015, 11:29:40 PMI don't agree that our bodies are part of us. Our bodies are nothing. You could have a different body, and you'd still be the same person. You could have no body, and you'd still be the same person.You aren't a different person if you wear a different shirt.If I had a different body, I'd be taller or shorter; fatter or skinnier (initially); my hands would change, my feet would change, a lot of things would change. These things make a difference psychologically, as in what your body is like (or your perception of it, at least) influences things like your self-esteem and thereby your lifestyle habits.I would not be me if I had a different body, it's a simple as that.You would have a reaction on your new body, certainly.I fail to see how that isn't your own reaction, and not some new individual's.Do you become a different person every time your brain chemistry changes as a result of all stimuli?If not, why should a change in body be any different?
When someone that loses an arm dreams they still have that arm in their dreams, it has a place in their brain even after it is gone. Your body and brain are connected to each other, while you could theoretically transfer brains between bodies, I cannot imagine it being a most pleasant ordeal, or that you would ever dream or identify with anything other than your original body in your subconscious.
I'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.
While it's nice to theorize there's absolutely no way to know for sure whether or not you would be the same person if you found yourself in a different body without actually transferring yourself to a different body.I could quite easily claim that everyone who swaps over to a different body acquires the personality of a professional snooker player, but I have nothing to back that up.
I'd argue that you do, slowly piece by piece you change to a new person over time. I think 10 year old me has a significant difference in thinking and belief compared to me now to make it a false statement to say we would be the same.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 11, 2015, 11:49:42 PMI'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.You wouldn't have the thing you identify with the very most anymore. I won't deny that, but I think that's all you can say.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:42:50 PMWhen someone that loses an arm dreams they still have that arm in their dreams, it has a place in their brain even after it is gone. Your body and brain are connected to each other, while you could theoretically transfer brains between bodies, I cannot imagine it being a most pleasant ordeal, or that you would ever dream or identify with anything other than your original body in your subconscious.When I was in Europe for three weeks, part of the procedure was for me to wear a lanyard with my name on it the entire time. We were advised to never take it off so that we'd never lose it, so I never took it off once.When I got home, even when I first took it off, I still felt like I had it on.So what? That doesn't mean I'm "connected" to my lanyard--that's just how memory works.Whether or not the switch would be a pleasant experience doesn't have to do with anything--it wouldn't change you as a person, is my ultimate point. As far as it not being "you" anymore. Sure, being in a fat person's body might teach you a little something about being fat.But learning things doesn't make you a different person--it makes you a smarter, more experienced person.But not a different person. That's just plain silly.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 11, 2015, 11:50:55 PMI'd argue that you do, slowly piece by piece you change to a new person over time. I think 10 year old me has a significant difference in thinking and belief compared to me now to make it a false statement to say we would be the same.Well, that is just a little bit too silly for me.We can mature, we can change, we can develop--but whatever consciousness is there, whoever you identify as, that's you, and that's who you'll remain to be.I am Jacob Potila today, and if I switched bodies, I would STILL be Jacob Potila.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2015, 11:51:25 PMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 11, 2015, 11:49:42 PMI'm not arguing that my initial thoughts would change, my brain is still my brain afterall; but after the shock wore off, I'd be changed mentally as well. That's what happens when your body changes with just a n alteration of body image; I don't think it's crazy to say it'd be much more drastic with a completely new body.I would exist, but I wouldn't be me anymore. That's the point I'm making.You wouldn't have the thing you identify with the very most anymore. I won't deny that, but I think that's all you can say.I'd say that this back and forth is more about defining the term "me"; I'd say it's a combination of physical traits and personality. From what I gather, you'd say it's the extent of a brain capable of processing information.
But what defines Jacob Potila? I find it doubtful that it has always been the exact same things. You can identify with a name for it can be something that won't change for you, sure. What defines your identity is fluid, so I find it odd to think of your identity as something solid.
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