The study found: 'We know that women are built differently to men — higher fat mass, less muscle mass, less cardio output, which leads to greater/quicker energy deficit than men and they have to work harder to achieve the same output.'
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 09:57:06 PM"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"Literally fuck off."Discrimination is bad, even when it is objectively beneficial"Please stop baiting.
"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"Literally fuck off.
Quote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 03, 2016, 10:00:04 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 09:57:06 PM"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"Literally fuck off."Discrimination is bad, even when it is objectively beneficial"Please stop baiting.So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing.How shortsighted and childish. You're trying way too hard to be cool and edgy with these new political opinions, Door.
QuoteThe study found: 'We know that women are built differently to men — higher fat mass, less muscle mass, less cardio output, which leads to greater/quicker energy deficit than men and they have to work harder to achieve the same output.'So in other words "Maybe the average woman shouldn't be in a combat arms position
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:03:31 PMQuote from: Yulius Kaisar on April 03, 2016, 10:00:04 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 09:57:06 PM"I support discrimination because it makes our military stronger"Literally fuck off."Discrimination is bad, even when it is objectively beneficial"Please stop baiting.So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing.How shortsighted and childish. You're trying way too hard to be cool and edgy with these new political opinions, Door.The morally correct thing is to discriminate. Our doctrine means that a squad is only as strong as the weakest member, and for every soldier wounded, three are out of the fight. When lives are at stake gender politics take a back seat to real standards and physical prowess.
Were women not previously allowed to be on the front lines, or did they have to meet the male standards of physical ability or something?
Quote from: BAS D00T 1026 on April 03, 2016, 10:02:50 PMQuoteThe study found: 'We know that women are built differently to men — higher fat mass, less muscle mass, less cardio output, which leads to greater/quicker energy deficit than men and they have to work harder to achieve the same output.'So in other words "Maybe the average woman shouldn't be in a combat arms positionIf a study came out tomorrow that said black men are only half as effective in combat as white men, would you prohibit African-Americans from enlisting in the military?A boost in combat effectiveness doesn't matter if you have to discriminate against certain demographics to get it.
muh "unit cohesion"
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:08:29 PMmuh "unit cohesion"That makes some sense to me. I haven't seen the data, so I can't say for sure, but I can definitely see that being a factor.
This is good to see, maybe next we'll get to see the restriction on roller coaster height removed because it is both ageist and discriminates against short people.
our military doesn't need to be 1/3 the size it is.
Morality is more important than a strong military.
We use our troops for shit reasons in the first place; our military doesn't need to be 1/3 the size it is.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:03:31 PMSo you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing.Aren't you a lefty? I thought the "good" of society was your whole deal.What makes discrimination so inherently immoral? On what basis do women have a right to serve in the military?QuoteHow shortsighted and childish.I am rubber, you are glue.
So you put the tangible, short-term "good" of your society over doing the objectively morally correct thing.
How shortsighted and childish.
Women have a right to enlist in the military
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:19:41 PMWomen have a right to enlist in the military They do. And they do.
Quote from: BAS D00T 1026 on April 03, 2016, 10:21:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:19:41 PMWomen have a right to enlist in the military They do. And they do.Women aren't allowed on the frontlines.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:19:41 PMDiscrimination is immoral because we don't choose the way we're born. We have the duty to ensure that anyone born in our country has the same rights, priveleges, and treatment under the law that anyone else born in our country does. Women have a right to enlist in the military because men have a right to enlist in the military.This isn't that hard.So, by this logic, we should allow the mentally retarded to serve on the font lines?After all, they didn't choose to be born that way.
Discrimination is immoral because we don't choose the way we're born. We have the duty to ensure that anyone born in our country has the same rights, priveleges, and treatment under the law that anyone else born in our country does. Women have a right to enlist in the military because men have a right to enlist in the military.This isn't that hard.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:22:40 PMQuote from: BAS D00T 1026 on April 03, 2016, 10:21:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:19:41 PMWomen have a right to enlist in the military They do. And they do.Women aren't allowed on the frontlines.There's valid biological reasons for that.
QuoteAnd yes, if a mentally retarded person passed every test and requirement that's required to enlist, it would be wrong to deny him that.But it's unfair to expect the mentally ill to meet the standards of the healthy. We have to lower them to make sure they can get in.
And yes, if a mentally retarded person passed every test and requirement that's required to enlist, it would be wrong to deny him that.
Quote from: SecondClass on April 03, 2016, 10:46:48 PMLiterally no one said that. The issue is that a woman who passes every single thing that the man sitting next to her does isn't allowed the same assignments he is.Did you read the article? The standards were lowered to ensure women could get in, because women cannot reliably meet the same standards men can. That's the focus of the outrage, here.
Literally no one said that. The issue is that a woman who passes every single thing that the man sitting next to her does isn't allowed the same assignments he is.
Where were you when equality won?
