When it comes to freedom, which is more important?

More Than Mortal · January 15, 2015, 02:05:26 PM

Liberty, or self-reliance? Which 'facet' of freedom do you find more valuable?

I think, for me, it has to be self-reliance.

DAS B00T x2 · January 15, 2015, 02:07:11 PM

Define the terms, please.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · January 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PM

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PSU · January 15, 2015, 02:08:01 PM

self reliance for sure

More Than Mortal · January 15, 2015, 02:12:46 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 15, 2015, 02:07:11 PM

Define the terms, please.

Well, liberty would be about being free from interference.

Self-reliance is about have a society of individuals who are responsible for themselves.

Dustin · January 15, 2015, 02:13:59 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · January 15, 2015, 02:15:41 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 15, 2015, 02:12:46 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 15, 2015, 02:07:11 PM
Define the terms, please.
Well, liberty would be about being free from interference.

Self-reliance is about have a society of individuals who are responsible for themselves.

Considering how closely related I consider the two, it's an interesting choice to make.

I gotta go with liberty.

Verbatim · January 15, 2015, 02:17:11 PM

By my understanding of the terms, liberty begets self-reliance.

More Than Mortal · January 15, 2015, 02:20:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 15, 2015, 02:17:11 PM

By my understanding of the terms, liberty begets self-reliance.

True, but for the sake of consideration try to split the difference. Liberty may result in self-reliance, but is that just an ancillary benefit in the face of the moral importance of being free from coercion? Or is freedom from coercion important because it results in self-reliance.

This is why I tried to contain the separate concepts of liberty and self-reliance in a broad-church idea of 'freedom'.

Mad Max · January 15, 2015, 02:50:31 PM

Fundamentally, I think liberty is more important, but what good is liberty if your self-reliance sucks?

Ender · January 15, 2015, 03:00:48 PM

liberty

The Lord Ruler · January 15, 2015, 03:03:37 PM

BrenMan 94 · January 15, 2015, 10:02:25 PM

Liberty

The Lord Slide Rule · January 16, 2015, 12:09:14 AM

Liberty is a waste if you are reliant on (read, beholden to) others for too much.

So self reliance.

Dustin · January 16, 2015, 04:22:37 AM

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