What qualities constitute 'good' music???

Alternative Facts · December 21, 2014, 05:37:14 PM

Considering I like Lady Gaga and her music, I feel it's best for me to stay out of this debate.

More Than Mortal · December 21, 2014, 05:40:52 PM

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 21, 2014, 05:37:14 PM

Considering I like Lady Gaga and her music, I feel it's best for me to stay out of this debate.

Yes.

That's. . .

That's probably best.

Alternative Facts · December 21, 2014, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 21, 2014, 05:40:52 PM

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 21, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
Considering I like Lady Gaga and her music, I feel it's best for me to stay out of this debate.
Yes.

That's. . .

That's probably best.

Eh, her music at least (to a degree) sends some semblance of a message. Unlike the rest of Top 40 Music (Which, again, I like), which is just about doing hookers and coke.

More Than Mortal · December 21, 2014, 05:42:51 PM

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 21, 2014, 05:42:20 PM

about doing hookers and coke.

Best message there is, mate.

Alternative Facts · December 21, 2014, 05:46:04 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 21, 2014, 05:42:51 PM

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 21, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
about doing hookers and coke.
Best message there is, mate.

Meta, you're blurring the lines between Serious and The Flod.

Meta, stahp.

Jim · December 21, 2014, 05:47:09 PM

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aREALgod · December 21, 2014, 05:47:48 PM

Quote from: Jimcantation on December 21, 2014, 05:03:44 PM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 21, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 21, 2014, 01:48:58 PM
What makes sad music sad?
Minor chords.

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Why makes upbeat music sound happy?

Major chords.

And the mix of them and chord progressions.

Actually it's not. You don't feel happy listening to minor chords unless you're a dumbass like jim

Mordo · December 21, 2014, 06:32:16 PM

It doesn't necessarily have to have a deeper meaning, but if a lot of effort is put in to it, you can usually tell. Just looping the same beat/lyric over and over is where trashy pop belongs.

Jim · December 21, 2014, 06:36:24 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · December 21, 2014, 06:38:09 PM

Quote from: Jimcantation on December 21, 2014, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 21, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to have a deeper meaning, but if a lot of effort is put in to it, you can usually tell. Just looping the same beat/lyric over and over is where trashy pop belongs.
I say it's mostly about the difference between those guys who "wanna be deep and stuff, man" as we as the commercialization of many artists compared to an artist who is just passionate about what they do.

I've read this five times and still don't get it.

Mordo · December 21, 2014, 06:39:02 PM

Quote from: Jimcantation on December 21, 2014, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 21, 2014, 06:32:16 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to have a deeper meaning, but if a lot of effort is put in to it, you can usually tell. Just looping the same beat/lyric over and over is where trashy pop belongs.
I say it's mostly about the difference between those guys who "wanna be deep and stuff, man" as we as the commercialization of many artists compared to an artist who is just passionate about what they do.

wot

Jim · December 21, 2014, 06:42:41 PM

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Ásgeirr · December 21, 2014, 07:09:20 PM

Something as barebones as just drums does it for me. So, as long as theres a rhythm of sorts i can enjoy it.

Release · December 22, 2014, 02:23:50 PM

Quote from: Jimcantation on December 21, 2014, 05:13:15 PM

music is 99% cultural.

Music is subjective, however, in the sense that it's difficult to compare,

It's okay to like shit, but it's still shit.

interesting point you brought up, it's something that should be taken into consideration when examining this topic. Funny how it all connects, yet it is kind of mind-boggling and exhausting to compare and contrast too much. I think something I've realized from this thread is..music is a spiritual thing, it's too vast to describe and analyze with words accurately. Kind if makes me happy in a way

last quote: classic jim

Verbatim · December 22, 2014, 02:31:33 PM

>Jim

I don't give any credence to the musical opinions of people who don't even know that Tool is metal.

challengerX · December 22, 2014, 02:41:57 PM

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Verbatim · December 22, 2014, 02:56:09 PM

It's cute how you think saying just that is going to change my mind.

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BrenMan 94 · December 22, 2014, 07:58:27 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 21, 2014, 01:48:58 PM

What makes sad music sad?

Minor key, melody floats around the root note of the I chord.

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Why makes upbeat music sound happy?

Cut-time, major key, roller coaster melody.

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You listen to a horror movie soundtrack, no matter who you are, you can tell that the music is designed to elicit fear.

Minor key, diminished triads, half-step chord changes (ex: the change from F#-minor to F-major in the Halloween theme).

Edit: I don't associate music with emotions so the above is based on what I've observed mostly by gauging reactions to particular songs.

Verbatim · December 22, 2014, 08:00:04 PM

You don't understand what I'm asking.

BrenMan 94 · December 22, 2014, 08:03:06 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 08:00:04 PM

You don't understand what I'm asking.

Explain. Because, musically speaking, what I said is true 99% of the time.

Verbatim · December 22, 2014, 08:05:45 PM

I'm not literally asking what makes the music, as if I don't already know that.

Like, you can explain HOW a music can be sad all you want. You can tell me how to make a sad song. But that doesn't help me understand why the music is sad inherently. Or happy. Or whatever.

BrenMan 94 · December 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 08:05:45 PM

I'm not literally asking what makes the music, as if I don't already know that.

Like, you can explain HOW a music can be sad all you want. You can tell me how to make a sad song. But that doesn't help me understand why the music is sad inherently. Or happy. Or whatever.

Has to do with the way most people's brains react to the notes in the melody/chord structure/key signature.

Yu · December 22, 2014, 08:17:50 PM

I don't like music besause it "speaks to me" with meaningful lyrics or themes. I consider something good, for my own enjoyment if I like how it sounds, simple as that.

Verbatim · December 22, 2014, 08:30:55 PM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM

Has to do with the way most people's brains react to the notes in the melody/chord structure/key signature.

You don't say.

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

Don't answer questions that you don't know the complete answer to.

aREALgod · December 23, 2014, 03:57:43 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 08:30:55 PM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
Has to do with the way most people's brains react to the notes in the melody/chord structure/key signature.
You don't say.

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

Don't answer questions that you don't know the complete answer to.

I guess we better stop our scientific endeavors forever then.

Verbatim · December 23, 2014, 04:00:11 AM

Thanks for misconstruing my message, valuable contributor.

BrenMan 94 · December 23, 2014, 11:23:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 08:30:55 PM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 22, 2014, 08:15:00 PM
Has to do with the way most people's brains react to the notes in the melody/chord structure/key signature.
You don't say.

Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.

Don't answer questions that you don't know the complete answer to.

I'm not going to fucking pretend to know something. Go look on Wikipedia.