What constitutes a living being.

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I know this is a stupid question but I have to bring it up. Viruses are a good example of this as they move and act like organisms but they can shut down and be dead for months or year on end until a favourable circumstances comes across.

Like light photons which phase between matter and energy virsues and other smallwr beings phase between life and death. With machines slowly entering this discussion.

So what do you think defines life?


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Anything that does not require a host to live.


 
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Are you part of the Railroad?

A synth isn't a human



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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Fair point.


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Anything that does not require a host to live.
You're using your term in the definition of the term


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Something which is able to reproduce.


That is the one trait all forms of life on Earth share, and it stands to good reason that even alien life would have to reproduce.


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Anything that does not require a host to carry out cellular functions.
You're using your term in the definition of the term
There you go mate


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Something which is able to reproduce.


That is the one trait all forms of life on Earth share, and it stands to good reason that even alien life would have to reproduce.
But what about a virus. Its reproduction is done by cells it infects. Changes the protein assembler or dna and has the cell start making other viruses.

What about machines that can create themselves. Or self programming codes.


 
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http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/mars141_content.php
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  • Order: Molecules in living things are arranged in specific structures.
  • Reproduction: Living things have the ability to reproduce their own kind. Simple life forms, such as bacteria, reproduce by dividing and making almost exact replicas of themselves. More complex organisms reproduce sexually, so that their offspring have genetic material from two individuals. Offspring with traits from both parents have a greater chance of survival because they are better able to adapt.
  • Growth and Development: Living organisms grow and develop in patterns determined by heredity, the traits passed to offspring by parents.
  • Energy Utilization: Living things need to capture and use energy, a process known as metabolism. An example of such a process is photosynthesis, whereby plants convert sunlight into energy.
  • Response to Stimuli: Living organisms respond to changes in their environment.
  • Evolutionary Adaptation: Living things evolve in such a way that future generations are adapted to unique situations in their surroundings. For example, the hammerhead shark, considered to be perhaps the most highly evolved species of shark, has superior vision and sensory perception due to its hammer-shaped head. Organisms that cannot adapt to a changing environment decline or become extinct.
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Something which is able to reproduce.


That is the one trait all forms of life on Earth share, and it stands to good reason that even alien life would have to reproduce.
But what about a virus. Its reproduction is done by cells it infects. Changes the protein assembler or dna and has the cell start making other viruses.

What about machines that can create themselves. Or self programming codes.

That's still reproduction.

Yes, that would technically count as life. But that does not exist yet.


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Order: Molecules in living things are arranged in specific structures.
Reproduction: Living things have the ability to reproduce their own kind. Simple life forms, such as bacteria, reproduce by dividing and making almost exact replicas of themselves. More complex organisms reproduce sexually, so that their offspring have genetic material from two individuals. Offspring with traits from both parents have a greater chance of survival because they are better able to adapt.
Growth and Development: Living organisms grow and develop in patterns determined by heredity, the traits passed to offspring by parents.
Energy Utilization: Living things need to capture and use energy, a process known as metabolism. An example of such a process is photosynthesis, whereby plants convert sunlight into energy.
Response to Stimuli: Living organisms respond to changes in their environment.
Evolutionary Adaptation: Living things evolve in such a way that future generations are adapted to unique situations in their surroundings. For example, the hammerhead shark, considered to be perhaps the most highly evolved species of shark, has superior vision and sensory perception due to its hammer-shaped head. Organisms that cannot adapt to a changing environment decline or become extinct.
But viruses do not replicate. Example is the HIV virus which basically repeograms wbite blood cells to create more HIV viruses.

Is that virus considered a living being?


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But viruses do not replicate. Example is the HIV virus which basically repeograms wbite blood cells to create more HIV viruses.

Is that virus considered a living being?
I don't believe so, and I think the scientific consensus is that they are not. Could be wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Life_properties
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But viruses do not replicate. Example is the HIV virus which basically repeograms wbite blood cells to create more HIV viruses.

Is that virus considered a living being?
Nope, it requires a host to replicate.


 
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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.


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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.
Yes it is.

Which is why any viruses that survive off of me aren't living.


 
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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.
Yes it is.

Which is why any viruses that survive off of me aren't living.
But are YOU living? You can't survive without your host body, so...

by your logic, you're not a living being

think before you post
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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.
Yes it is.

Which is why any viruses that survive off of me aren't living.
But are YOU living? You can't survive without your host body, so...
What do you define as YOU. My brain? My brain isn't an organism, it doesn't fall under the same rules as bacteria, animals, etc.


 
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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.
Yes it is.

Which is why any viruses that survive off of me aren't living.
But are YOU living? You can't survive without your host body, so...
What do you define as YOU. My brain? My brain isn't an organism, it doesn't fall under the same rules as bacteria, animals, etc.
Viruses aren't organisms either--so your brain is like a virus?

I just don't know where you're getting this idea from.

You're obviously alive, yet you require a host to live. That seems to contradict your first post.


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See you Cowgirl,
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Anything that does not require a host to live.
Your body is a host.
Yes it is.

Which is why any viruses that survive off of me aren't living.
But are YOU living? You can't survive without your host body, so...
What do you define as YOU. My brain? My brain isn't an organism, it doesn't fall under the same rules as bacteria, animals, etc.
Viruses aren't organisms either--so your brain is like a virus?

I just don't know where you're getting this idea from.

You're obviously alive, yet you require a host to live. That seems to contradict your first post.
My brain is an organ. It is made up of living tissues and not a living organism.

My body is made of mutiple organ systems that all work together to stay alive. Together they make up me as an organism.

You're going to have to clarify if you still don't understand what you mean by "me" living off my host body. My body and I are the same.


 
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My brain is an organ. It is made up of living tissues and not a living organism.

My body is made of mutiple organ systems that all work together to stay alive. Together they make up me as an organism.

You're going to have to clarify if you still don't understand what you mean by "me" living off my host body. My body and I are the same.
okay

so who is to say that, from this, infectious agents and their host bodies don't also work together to create a living organism called a virus


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This shit reminds me of the endosymbiotic theory.

Muh mitochondrial DNA