What are the strongest arguments for God?

Dustin · November 17, 2014, 09:19:16 AM

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More Than Mortal · November 17, 2014, 10:00:55 AM

Teleological, maybe.

Mad Max · November 17, 2014, 10:02:32 AM

Scientific and logical ignorance is a great argument in favor of God.

The Lord Slide Rule · November 17, 2014, 10:42:46 AM

I've come across a couple that could be pretty convincing given some modification and a willingness to forgo empiricism.

Mattie G Indahouse · November 17, 2014, 11:30:05 AM

"Hur dur dur it sayz it right he4e in mah bible."

Turkey · November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM

The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.

PSU · November 17, 2014, 11:46:01 AM

He doesn't exist! I'm a pseudo scientist!

Mr. Psychologist · November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM

Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM

The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.

I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<

The Lord Slide Rule · November 17, 2014, 11:56:05 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM

Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<

pretty sure he's referring to Aquinas' arguments from first cause.

g💚jira · November 17, 2014, 11:56:23 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM

Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<

Mr. Psychologist · November 17, 2014, 11:57:06 AM

Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 17, 2014, 11:56:05 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<
pretty sure he's referring to Aquinas' arguments from first cause.

I don't know about them >_>

More Than Mortal · November 17, 2014, 11:58:30 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:57:06 AM

Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 17, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<
pretty sure he's referring to Aquinas' arguments from first cause.

I don't know about them >_>

They aren't very good >.>

Mr. Psychologist · November 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 17, 2014, 11:58:30 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 17, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<
pretty sure he's referring to Aquinas' arguments from first cause.

I don't know about them >_>
They aren't very good >.>

What's the general premise? <.<

More Than Mortal · November 17, 2014, 12:04:15 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:58:59 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 17, 2014, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: SexyPiranha on November 17, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 17, 2014, 11:55:11 AM
Quote from: E̲n̲ga̲ge̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on November 17, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
The existence of the universe and the third law of motion. I can post more substantial things but the vibe I get from this forum is generally hostile to this subject material.
I'd be interested to read it if you'd be inclined to post it <.<
pretty sure he's referring to Aquinas' arguments from first cause.

I don't know about them >_>
They aren't very good >.>
What's the general premise? <.<

It's essentially the idea that the Universe requires a prime mover for its existence, and this prime mover is God. Hence, first cause.

DAS B00T x2 · November 17, 2014, 12:26:49 PM

"Well Bill, there's a book..."

Mr. Psychologist · November 17, 2014, 12:37:04 PM

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"Well Bill, there's a book..."

Super Irish · November 17, 2014, 12:49:17 PM

Hmm, this is interesting...

I'd have to go for our uniqueness in the known universe. Only planet in the explored and studied universe to have tectonics (at least active), have liquid water, and of course, life.

Sure we may not have discovered life or evidence of ancient life elsewhere yet but given the similarities between our Earth and Mars, the contrast in far more surprising. No life, arid, dead. It seems to me that if life were truly easy to create (i.e. doesn't need an all-powerful superbeing to start it), it would be at least on Mars, or observable on outer planets outside our solar system

Personally I think the final nail in the religious' coffin will be when we discover extra-terrestrial life, regardless of how simple or complex. It'll show us we aren't that unique, that we were created in "God's Image" (Then again, if we meet comparatively intelligent extra-terrestrials with a suspiciously similar religious belief akin to our own, I may decide to become at the very least Agnostic.)

Lemy the Lizerd · November 17, 2014, 12:58:01 PM

>arguments for god

>being strong ever

You could have made this thread about bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster and the results would be similar

Death · November 17, 2014, 01:50:46 PM

The organization of matter.

g💚jira · November 17, 2014, 01:53:35 PM

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on November 17, 2014, 12:58:01 PM

>arguments for god

>being strong ever

You could have made this thread about bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster and the results would be similar

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Naoto · November 17, 2014, 02:56:14 PM

The *only* argument for a god is blind faith.

Doctor Doom · November 17, 2014, 07:32:23 PM

The odds of one tiny piece of rock floating in space having the perfect conditions for so many forms of life to exist on are so astronomically low that the implication of some Higher Power orchestrating the whole thing don't seem that illogical, in hindsight. It's certainly a more feasible explanation than 'everything just sort of ended up like this'.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's the Biblical God though.

vicetexin · November 17, 2014, 07:37:00 PM

Quote from: Lord Keksworth on November 17, 2014, 07:32:23 PM

The odds of one tiny piece of rock floating in space having the perfect conditions for so many forms of life to exist on are so astronomically low that the implication of some Higher Power orchestrating the whole thing don't seem that illogical, in hindsight. It's certainly a more feasible explanation than 'everything just sort of ended up like this'.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's the Biblical God though.

Pretty sure the odds are on favor for at least 1 of these in the entire universe

Doctor Doom · November 17, 2014, 07:57:54 PM

Quote from: vicetexin on November 17, 2014, 07:37:00 PM

Quote from: Lord Keksworth on November 17, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
The odds of one tiny piece of rock floating in space having the perfect conditions for so many forms of life to exist on are so astronomically low that the implication of some Higher Power orchestrating the whole thing don't seem that illogical, in hindsight. It's certainly a more feasible explanation than 'everything just sort of ended up like this'.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's the Biblical God though.
Pretty sure the odds are on favor for at least 1 of these in the entire universe

The odds being in favor of something guarantees nothing. Consider the countless factors that could end in a multitude of ways, and then consider that only one particular combination of those countless factors will result in a single planet capable of supporting life. And, of course, even if every condition is met, there's still no real reason for life to exist on that planet in the first place.

'We just got extremely, improbably lucky' is a possibility, but it's not any more logical than 'somebody set everything up and put us here on purpose'.

challengerX · November 18, 2014, 07:08:59 AM

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BrenMan 94 · November 18, 2014, 08:19:51 AM

It probably comes down to what set the universe in motion. Scientists still aren't sure, and they might have broken the laws of physics trying to find out.

Flee · November 18, 2014, 08:39:11 AM

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