"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin FranklinThe actions of a few individuals doesn't represent the whole and it's fucking scary that some group of people think they have power to tell others where they can and can't travel to. People talk about how certain things is fear mongering yet these actions is what REAL fear mongering is; it's brain washing people into thinking that somebody wanting to keep things private is automatically a suspicious terrorist. It's no different than the thinking that people who oppose the NSA are suspicious. People have a natural right to privacy and it needs to be respectedDon't compare this to disease. That's just stupid. ANYBODY can get sick bit not anybody can be a terrorist
Lol, how? Just look at Flee's response cause that's what I would say.
Because while it's true that anyone can be a terrorist, that applies to everything. Anyone can be a serial killer. Anyone can be a rapist. That doesn't mean that we have to assume that everyone is. Should more detail and suspicion be put onto people returning from those areas? Of course. Should they be automatically arrested, and presumed to be a terrorist? No, that's idiotic. The fact of the matter is that an extremely slim percentage of Brits going to those areas are actual ISIS supporters. The vast majority aren't terrorists. And that being said, there's far easier ways to combat British terrorist defectors than this method.
Somebody could have a cold coming in from Nigeria, or it could be Ebola. There's really no argument here, and it's only something go someone as stupid as Kinder would bring up. And as for your "far easier methods", what do you suggest is done?
But here's the thing...Why would anyone go to Iraq or Syria right now? Unless you're retarded, you'd know that both of the countries are warzones. Just, why the hell would you visit either country right now?
It's not so much of an automatic arrest and presumption of guilt as a check on people going out there in the first place. If they are going out there with a good reason, all they have to do is state it and possibly provide evidence of their claim. This is exceptionally poor wording and possibly implementation but the reasoning behind it at least makes sense.
There's more Australians fighting for terrorist organizations than any other nation.
What? The OP made it seem much more militant than that. I can definitely agree with asking why people are traveling there in the first place, but I don't think it's necessary to arrest everyone who doesn't want to disclose that information. As long as you're not bringing home a bomb (which is incredibly easy to check), or obviously aiding terrorism, this seems like a situation where a few idiots are messing up the system for everyone.
How about instead of throwing around moronic assumptions, you actually explain the retarded notion that not everyone could be a terrorist?
This is hilarious when you factor in the fact that you support the militarisation of police.
Except the two are different. My rights are not being infringed because police decide to have AR-15s and body armor. My rights however are being infringed when the government demands to seize information from me without probable cause. How about using something called your brain for once?
Translation: "no u"Guess that's what I can expect from an "enlightened" individual such as yourself.
Oh my God. It's like you lack even a rudimentary understanding of consequentialism.
So in other words you can't counter what I said? Lol. Just all my lols
You literally said that not anybody can be a terrorist, which is objectively incorrect. Stop this poor attempt at damage control and just admit you either worded yourself extremely poorly or genuinely are an idiot.
Don't compare this to disease. That's just stupid. ANYBODY can get sick bit not anybody can be a terrorist
Terrorism isn't a disease? Whoda thunk. You don't seem to understand. A lot of Brits are going to fight in Syria and Iraq. They need to do something. I find it funny that you say "put more suspicion" when that would mean following, bugging, and monitoring that person as a suspected terrorist when they probably went over to visit family If you seriously think increasing the monitoring of people is better than signing some paperwork and stating your reason to travel to the country, then it would seem you've done a 180 and are now in love with the NSA.
]That's not saying much as Wikipedia has a lot of credibility.
But I take it you could rub those two braincells together cause you're a good little boy who listens to everything the media tells you to. Good job on being more indoctrinated than the people you claim to be indoctrinated.
Oh, look at Kinder derailing the discussion yet again. Out-fucking-standing.
No wonder you're a fucking dipshit idiot. If you actually think Wikipedia has any credibility then you're going to fail in life; no reasonable person is going to take you seriously
Well, Boris Johnson just destroyed our constitution in one swift blow
