We could be seeing the first private moon landing soon

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Private spaceflight company Moon Express will soon announce it has been granted regulatory approval by the US government to send a lunar lander to the surface of the Moon, according to a source familiar with the matter. If so, that means the company will be the first private company to have received permission from the government to send a vehicle beyond Earth orbit and on to another world.

GRANTING PERMISSION TO SEND A VEHICLE BEYOND EARTH ORBIT


Moon Express is a private spaceflight company with long-term hopes of mining the lunar surface. But in the short term, the company is focused on simply getting to the Moon first. The venture is developing the MX-1 — a 20-pound lunar lander designed to "hop" across the Moon’s surface. MX-1 is in the Google Lunar X Prize competition, an international contest to send the first privately funded spacecraft to the Moon. In order to win that competition, Moon Express has to get its lander to the surface of the Moon before December 31st, 2017.

The company has already booked a ride on an experimental rocket called the Electron, manufactured by startup Rocket Lab. But Moon Express still needs permission to go to the Moon — and that was turning into an issue for the company. Only state governments have ever traveled to the Moon or other planets. Currently, there’s no regulatory framework in place that allows the US government to oversee private missions beyond Earth orbit.

THE US HAS TO ADHERE TO OBLIGATIONS SET BY THE OUTER SPACE TREATY

And that’s a problem, since the US has to adhere to obligations set by the Outer Space Treaty — an international agreement that guides how nations conduct missions in space. Specifically, the US has to adequately oversee private missions to other planetary bodies, as well as ensure that companies don’t violate planetary protection. But right now, there is no way for the government to make sure that private missions going beyond Earth orbit don’t violate these portions of the treaty.

So Moon Express came up with its own temporary solution. In April, the company announced that it had submitted a payload review to the Federal Aviation Administration, in which it disclosed how the MX-1 mission would comply with the Outer Space Treaty. That included giving the government certain "voluntary disclosures," detailing ways in which the mission adhered to the treaty. And Moon Express is expected to announce that its regulatory patch idea worked, according to the source, who asked to remain anonymous.


If so, the implications are huge. This would be the first company that’s ever been approved to go so far into space. The decision will likely form a precedent for any future companies that want to travel to deep space. SpaceX, which recently announced its intentions to go to Mars in 2018, will need similar approval.

I really hope this passes. Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.


 
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New space race when?


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Moon Express sounds like the progenitor to the delivery company in Futurama.


Good news nontheless if they and SpaceX get approved and some legal framework is setup.


 
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Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.
It's actually immensely depressing.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.
It's actually immensely depressing.
Why?

Besides some ideological opposition to the involvement of private companies in, well, anything, what actual reasoning do you have that this is a bad thing and that governments would be more adept at handling it?


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Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.
It's actually immensely depressing.

Why? Private space companies aren't held back by having to fight for budget with every other branch of government or public appeal (IE they aren't having to do things just to appeal to the masses to get their money).

This means they can get shit done quicker than organisations like NASA, JAXA, ESA and such as they're privately funded (not to denounce their contributions of course).

Unless your point was that it's depressing that scientific organisations are hampered by having to fight for funding, I don't really get your point.

Edit: plus, more people involved in developing space technologies is never a bad thing. Most space organisations share research and data and stuff, so any discoveries are shared amongst the scientific community at large. Private companies can develop tech at a faster rate and are generally more efficient.
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Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.
It's actually immensely depressing.
Why?

Besides some ideological opposition to the involvement of private companies in, well, anything, what actual reasoning do you have that this is a bad thing and that governments would be more adept at handling it?
It's not that government would necessarily be more "adept" at it--I just find the prospect of a future Planet McDonald's to be viscerally harrowing. The human desire to leave our smelly footprint on everything has always been highly affronting to me.

I don't have any problem with Moon Express in particular--mining the moon for its resources seems like a good and honest undertaking--but in general, the less human beings we have dancing around the universe, pretending to do something important, the better off the universe is.

"Human race" and "virulent parasite" become more and more insidiously synonymous every single day.


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Opening up other planets for private companies is amazing.
It's actually immensely depressing.
Why?

Besides some ideological opposition to the involvement of private companies in, well, anything, what actual reasoning do you have that this is a bad thing and that governments would be more adept at handling it?
It's not that government would necessarily be more "adept" at it--I just find the prospect of a future Planet McDonald's to be viscerally harrowing. The human desire to leave our smelly footprint on everything has always been highly affronting to me.

I don't have any problem with Moon Express in particular--mining the moon for its resources seems like a good and honest undertaking--but in general, the less human beings we have dancing around the universe, pretending to do something important, the better off the universe is.

"Human race" and "virulent parasite" become more and more insidiously synonymous every single day.

Oh, right. That's fair enough considering your general outlook on well... everything.

It is a fairly valid question as well. With the idea that life of the microbial kind does exist on Mars, or in the atmospheres of Venus, or the oceans of Europa, one of the big things being looked at for future exploration (particularly human exploration) is how to minimise bringing unwanted extras with us when we inevitably go to those worlds. Obviously, the best solution would be to not go, but I think that it's going to happen be ut in ten or a thousand years, so I'm interested as to how we're gonna tackle that problem.


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Can't wait for Monsanto bases on Jupiter and McDonalds on Pluto.


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It's great news, too bad we can't explore the galaxy


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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.


 
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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
Kinda goes against humanity as a whole


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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
Kinda goes against humanity as a whole
I see you've caught on!


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Private companies and the like actually need permission to head to the moon?

Someone explain this shit.


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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
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Astronomy isn't a real science.


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I mean, spreading our influence out of the solar system wouldn't be so frightening if we, as a species, weren't so immature and pathetic.


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Private companies and the like actually need permission to head to the moon?

Someone explain this shit.
The Outer Space Treaty means the US has an obligation to oversee what private space companies do, mainly to make sure that the treaty is actually being followed by these companies


 
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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
Kinda goes against humanity as a whole
I see you've caught on!
Idk if we're on the same page. I'm saying humans always leave their mark. Either to other people or animals, or the environment we live in. Be it negative or positive. We always have since Cavemen, and always will.


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Spaceflight venture Moon Express wants to be the first private company ever to land on the Moon in 2017 — and now the company has been granted approval by the United States government to launch to the lunar surface. It's the first time the government has granted regulatory approval for a private mission beyond Earth orbit. And Moon Express came very close to being denied permission to go.

No regulatory framework currently exists for a commercial space missions to another world. Lawmakers are working on a permanent solution, but it likely won't be ready in time for Moon Express' 2017 mission. So the company came up with its own temporary framework — a regulatory patch — that the US government could use to oversee the company's mission. And after a meeting between the Federal Aviation Administration, the White House, and the State Department, Moon Express has been given the approval it needs to launch to the Moon.


IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE GOVERNMENT HAS GRANTED REGULATORY APPROVAL FOR A PRIVATE MISSION BEYOND EARTH ORBIT

So far, commercial companies have mostly just launched satellites into space; all specialized private missions, like launching cargo to the space station, have been overseen by NASA. That means Moon Express could be the first private company to land on the Moon, as well as the company that travels the farthest away from our planet.

Moon Express' regulatory patch is only a temporary fix, though. Legislators are working on a long-term framework that will help the US government oversee private, deep-space missions. And it needs to happen soon, as space companies are getting more ambitious than ever. SpaceX announced its plans to send spacecraft to Mars in 2018, and Bigelow Aerospace wants to launch space hotels by 2020. Moon Express' lander is just the first of many deep-space private missions to come.

Moon Express

Moon Express needs to get to the Moon by 2017. That’s the deadline for the Google Lunar X Prize — an international competition to send the first privately funded vehicle to the Moon's surface. Moon Express joined the contest in 2012, and has since pushed ahead of the other 16 contenders. It is one of just two teams to have secured a launch contract. The company has purchased a ride for its lander on the Electron rocket, a vehicle currently being built by startup Rocket Lab.

 
The Electron rocket that the MX-1 lander will eventually fly on. (Rocket Lab)


Moon Express has goals beyond winning the X Prize competition: the company wants to mine the Moon for rare elements and metals. "Even though we are a proud contender [in the X Prize competition], it’s neither a cornerstone of creating the business nor do we need to win it," Bob Richards, CEO of Moon Express, told The Verge. "But we want to win it." If successful, the 2017 trip will prove that the company can get hardware to the lunar surface in one piece. Afterward, Moon Express will continue to mount more missions to the Moon, and by 2020, Richards hopes the company will be able to bring back lunar material.

 THE COMPANY WANTS TO MINE THE MOON FOR RARE ELEMENTS AND METALS

For a while, though, it was unclear whether Moon Express would legally be able to keep any material it got from the Moon. US law didn’t guarantee the company rights to materials it retrieved from space. But in November, President Obama signed into law the Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act — a bill that restricts the FAA from issuing standards for commercial spacecraft for the next seven years. The bill also guaranteed that private companies had the rights to any resources they collected in space. That means Moon Express and asteroid mining initiatives like Planetary Resources will be able to own any materials that they take from outer space bodies.

After the government said companies could essentially mine objects in space, the FAA realized it needed a way to oversee these private mining missions, as well as other ambitious space projects. Mainly, the US has to ensure these missions comply with the Outer Space Treaty — an international agreement between 104 countries that governs how nations conduct missions in space. "If the United States wants to be perceived as being compliant with the Outer Space Treaty, somebody has to authorize and oversee those operations," said George Nield, FAA associate administrator for commercial space transportation, in a recent speech reported by Space News. The White House and lawmakers have since been working on a regulatory framework that would allow the US government to make sure non-traditional space missions adhere to the treaty. But that framework likely won't be ready for a few years.

 
The signing of the Outer Space Treaty. (UN)

"The great news was there is a regulatory process in the works," said Moon Express' Richards. "The bad news is we had zero confidence that the regulatory framework would be ready in time for our mission in 2017. Ironically you had a great 'space resources' act that says you can own what you get, but we’re in a situation where you can’t launch to go get it."

The Patch

The problem for Moon Express revolved around getting approval for its payload. Whenever a private company wants to conduct a space mission, it must apply for a license to launch its spacecraft from the FAA. Part of that application process, called the payload review, involves telling the FAA what's going into space and where it's going. The FAA has no power over what companies do when they get to space; however, the FAA does consult with other agencies during the approval process. One of those agencies is the State Department, which made it clear to Moon Express that it would step in and ask the FAA to deny the request, Richards said. That’s because the department can’t reliably enforce the Outer Space Treaty when the Moon Express lander is on the lunar surface.

 
An artistic rendering of the MX-1 lander on the surface of the Moon. (Moon Express)

That gave Moon Express the idea to share more information than the federal government required. The company submitted a "souped-up" payload review, in which it voluntarily declared how the 2017 lunar mission would comply with the provisions of the Outer Space Treaty. "There are no new laws, no new regulations," said Richards. "We proposed a scenario where we would build on the existing payload review process."

Moon Express tried to address three critical provisions of the Outer Space Treaty. First, nations must continually supervise all of the space missions that happen within their borders. Moon Express told the FAA it would frequently update the agency with information on the 2017 trip, so that the government could oversee it. The second rule is not messing with other nations’ spacecraft or space operations. On the Moon, that mostly means respecting the Apollo sites, and Moon Express assured the government that it wouldn't disturb these areas. "Don't do wheelies over Neil’s footprint," joked Richards.

MOON EXPRESS TRIED TO ADDRESS THREE CRITICAL PROVISIONS OF THE OUTER SPACE TREATY

Finally, Moon Express had to show the State Department it would abide by the Outer Space Treaty’s provision that is meant to prevent people from contaminating other worlds, called planetary protection. If companies like Moon Express want to land on a body in outer space, they have to be careful not to spread too many bacteria on the surface. Fortunately the Moon doesn't host life, so Moon Express doesn't have to worry too much about contamination. In its voluntary disclosures to the federal government, Moon Express gave the FAA all its data about how it would adhere to the rules of planetary protection.

After giving all of this information to the FAA, the State Department, and the White House, the various agencies met to decide whether these disclosure were good enough. And the decision went in Moon Express' favor. "The meeting was a culmination of all the work we’ve been doing for the last several months on whether or not the State Department in particular would be comfortable with this approach," said Richards. "Our proposal provided enough comfort."

A Future Framework

The solution that Moon Express proposed was really only meant to be a temporary fix for the company, but it's possible the company has inadvertently created ground rules for all future commercial missions beyond Earth orbit. Congressman Jim Bridenstine (R-OK) has proposed a bill, called the Space Renaissance Act, which incorporates Moon Express' solution. Rather than have companies voluntarily disclose how they'll adhere to the Outer Space Treaty, however, Bridenstine's solution gives the FAA authority to issue guidelines for companies to follow. "My proposal updates the current payload review process to enhance it beyond the issuing of a yes or no," said Congressman Bridenstine. "Under this proposal, the FAA will be able to place conditions on payloads."

FUTURE REGULATIONS WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR COMPANIES LIKE SPACEX

It'll be some time before Bridenstine's bill or any other framework solutions take effect, though. But these future regulations will be important for companies like SpaceX, which wants to send spacecraft to Mars by 2018. SpaceX will also need approval for those missions, and it's possible these new regulations will be in effect by then to help the government oversee what SpaceX plans to do. If not, the company will likely have to come up with its own temporary fix, just like Moon Express did.

For now, Moon Express isn't too concerned with how its temporary solution may affect policy; the company's just happy it has approval to go to the Moon. "If our pilot program turns out to be a template or model that becomes the permanent regulatory framework for everyone else, that’s a great footstep in history," said Richards. "But that wasn’t the intention; it was very selfish and just about our little 2017 mission."


http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/3/12361256/moon-express-private-mission-spaceflight-us-government-approved


 
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I agree with Verb here. Spreading our influence is the last thing the universe needs.
Kinda goes against humanity as a whole
I see you've caught on!
Idk if we're on the same page. I'm saying humans always leave their mark. Either to other people or animals, or the environment we live in. Be it negative or positive. We always have since Cavemen, and always will.
That's the depressing thing, isn't it?


 
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as long as we arent developing weapons in outer space we good my niggas


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Hopefully this leads to asteroid and moon mining withing our lifetimes. What we have on Earth isn't going to last forever and when it comes to water very little of it is fresh and most of it is locked away. 


 
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I can't wait for those conspiracy retards against the moon landings to get a mouthful when a private company sees the landing sites. What a glorious day that'll be


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I hope that if Moon Express go to Mars, they change their name to Planet Express.

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