Anyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.
Quote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".
You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".Most of the time the animals aren't taken care of in a "relatively painless way".You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.
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Quote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PMYou can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.Sure I can; everybody's capable of keeping two sets of books.
Quote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".Most of the time the animals aren't taken care of in a "relatively painless way".You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.But I can.
The all or nothing mentality of your kind is as toxic as that of hardcore libertarians.
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".Most of the time the animals aren't taken care of in a "relatively painless way".You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.But I can.What I meant was that you're not justified to do so.
QuoteThe all or nothing mentality of your kind is as toxic as that of hardcore libertarians.I fail to see how.
Quote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 11:06:00 PMQuote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".Most of the time the animals aren't taken care of in a "relatively painless way".You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.But I can.What I meant was that you're not justified to do so. But I am.
Neither do people like Door. That should tell you something.
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:07:33 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 11:06:00 PMQuote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:57:27 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on July 09, 2015, 10:51:38 PMQuote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 10:49:04 PMAnyone who is outraged at this and continues to eat meat/dairy is a hypocrite.Not really. It would depend on the treatment of the animals in question. I hardly think slaughtering a cow in a relatively painless way compares to torturing an animal for "science".Most of the time the animals aren't taken care of in a "relatively painless way".You can't really be mad about this and then go out and eat veal, brother.But I can.What I meant was that you're not justified to do so. But I am.Would you also say that people who don't vote are justified to complain about the government?
QuoteNeither do people like Door. That should tell you something.I have no idea who that is, but it doesn't sound like a compliment.
The ones who can't complain are the ones who voted for the current politicians, since that's what you wanted.
Well hey, you catch on quick!
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PMThe ones who can't complain are the ones who voted for the current politicians, since that's what you wanted.So if those people have no right to bitch about the government they voted for, why do you have the right to bitch about animal suffering when you (presumably) continue to support it?I feel like you know what I mean. You are being intentionally obtuse for whatever reason(s).
especially sine one scenario has a very utilitarian purpose while the other doesn't, as it's a needless experiment that tells us nothing new and results in no gain of knowledge for human kind.
Quote from: Snake on July 09, 2015, 11:53:55 PMQuote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 09, 2015, 11:01:36 PMThe ones who can't complain are the ones who voted for the current politicians, since that's what you wanted.So if those people have no right to bitch about the government they voted for, why do you have the right to bitch about animal suffering when you (presumably) continue to support it?I feel like you know what I mean. You are being intentionally obtuse for whatever reason(s).Because there's a differing in the suffering. I already mentioned that one scenario is purely utilitarian and that the other serves no purpose.
Meat is market wether it's humanly slaughtered or notI've see cows slaughtered at the local dairy farm. It's nowhere near a torterous experience just for the sake of "let's see what will happen" like this is
Quote from: Tyger on July 10, 2015, 12:06:53 AMMeat is market wether it's humanly slaughtered or notI've see cows slaughtered at the local dairy farm. It's nowhere near a torterous experience just for the sake of "let's see what will happen" like this isThis.You guys ever visit a local butcher? You vegans ever even walk outside of a city? Ever eat meat that isn't slapped with the logo of a national brand?Cattle and hogs are killed here with a .22lr, delivered with surgical accuracy right against the skull. They don't feel shit.
Quote from: Tyger on July 10, 2015, 12:06:53 AMMeat is market wether it's humanly slaughtered or notI've see cows slaughtered at the local dairy farm. It's nowhere near a torterous experience just for the sake of "let's see what will happen" like this isIntention doesn't really matter here, though. It's a matter of experiencing pain.I wouldn't have a problem with the meat or dairy industry if the process was painless. Same goes for the rat in the article.
Quote from: Snake on July 10, 2015, 12:13:02 AMQuote from: Tyger on July 10, 2015, 12:06:53 AMMeat is market wether it's humanly slaughtered or notI've see cows slaughtered at the local dairy farm. It's nowhere near a torterous experience just for the sake of "let's see what will happen" like this isIntention doesn't really matter here, though. It's a matter of experiencing pain.I wouldn't have a problem with the meat or dairy industry if the process was painless. Same goes for the rat in the article. good cattle farmers do make it painless. Actual farmers usually love and respect each and every animal on the farm but that's their livelyhood. They use special "stun guns" that essentially render the cow brain dead before they kill if.
You guys ever visit a local butcher? You vegans ever even walk outside of a city? Ever eat meat that isn't slapped with the logo of a national brand?Cattle and hogs are killed here with a .22lr, delivered with surgical accuracy right against the skull. They don't feel shit.
You're playing roulette with an animal's welfare so you can chow down on a burger.
So please, let's drop the greed-masquerading-as-utilitarianism argument. It's simply not compelling at all.
Quote from: Pendulate on July 10, 2015, 12:37:34 AMSo please, let's drop the greed-masquerading-as-utilitarianism argument. It's simply not compelling at all.This is basically the case. If you eat meat, as I do, it's best to just acknowledge your greed is over-riding your ability to act in accordance with moral reason.
moral reason puts me at a monetary disadvantage here.Fuck that.
I'd say "addiction", and that would probably be more apt.
i mean, it's not, if you know where to go
Quote from: Pendulate on July 10, 2015, 12:37:34 AM You're playing roulette with an animal's welfare so you can chow down on a burger.And in the end, I'm ultimately okay with that. Stay mad, son.
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