US Air Force requires you to swear to God

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An atheist airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada was denied reenlistment last month for refusing to take an oath containing “so help me God,” the American Humanist Association said Thursday.

And in a Sept. 2 letter to the inspectors general for the Air Force and Creech, Monica Miller, an attorney with the AHA’s Apignani Humanist Legal Center, said the airman should be allowed to reenlist without having to swear to a deity, and instead given a secular oath. Miller said the AHA is prepared to sue if the airman is not allowed to reenlist.

According to the AHA, the unnamed airman was told Aug. 25 that the Air Force would not accept his contract because he had crossed out the phrase “so help me God.” The airman was told his only options were to sign the religious oath section of the contract without adjustment and recite an oath concluding with “so help me God,” or leave the Air Force, the AHA said.

That is unconstitutional and unacceptable, the AHA said.

“The government cannot compel a nonbeliever to take an oath that affirms the existence of a supreme being,” Miller said. “Numerous cases affirm that atheists have the right to omit theistic language from enlistment or reenlistment contracts.”
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Air Force Instruction 36-2606 spells out the active-duty oath of enlistment, which all airmen must take when they enlist or reenlist and ends with “so help me God.” The old version of that AFI included an exception: “Note: Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.”

That language was dropped in an Oct. 30, 2013, update to the AFI. The relevant section of that AFI now only lists the active-duty oath of enlistment, without giving airmen any option to choose not to swear an oath to a deity.

“Reciting ‘So help me God’ in the reenlistment and commissioning oaths is a statutory requirement under Title 10 USC 502,” Air Force spokeswoman Rose Richeson said Thursday. AFI 36-2606 “is consistent with the language mandated in 10 USC 502. Paragraph 5.6 [and] was changed in October 2013 to reflect the aforementioned statutory requirement and airmen are no longer authorized to omit the words ‘So help me God.’ ”

The Air Force said it cannot change its AFI to make “so help me God” optional unless Congress changes the statute mandating it.
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Good job...


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Like I said on B.net, it's really not that big of a deal.
That's the whole point - you shouldn't have to keep your head down and play along. Whether you're a Christian, Muslim, Jew, atheist, or whatever, you have a constitutional right to NOT have religion forced on you by the government, which is a secular institution.

Christians can just steamroll these things because there's so many of them. The number of people complaining about it is comparatively few.
Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 12:22:23 PM by Mad Max


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I just skipped that line during my oath of enlistment...


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Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 12:45:37 PM by Lady Noelle


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I just skipped that line during my oath of enlistment...
Apparently it's no longer allowed to be skipped.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Apparently it's no longer allowed to be skipped.

They authorized this shit under AR-670-1 but I can't refuse to swear to God in my oath to the constitution?
That's fucked up if true.


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Holy shit, that is a real thing? Does he have to take it off indoors?
Here's an article from January. I mean, I'm not saying that this is bad, I'm just saying that if we're allowing religious expression in this sense then why can't non-religious... un-expression be shown?


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Why can transgender people not serve as well?
That's a whole different discussion involving lots of speculation, I think.


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They authorized this shit under AR-670-1 but I can't refuse to swear to God in my oath to the constitution?
That's fucked up if true.
Not gonna lie, that's pretty badass


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Ya, if you had a trans* coworker, you would probably be too excited and distracted to accomplish anything. =^.^=
Eh, maybe.
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I had met some dude a couple years back and tried to get a band going. Very awkward person, mediocre guitarist, but a great poet and this weird ass, short chick he knew was an awesome singer, so we only had to find a drummer yet. It's also worth noting here that when I first met the guy we was wearing a vest and a bowler hat. Not attractive at all.
Well, two months into our project, I get a very long and drawn out email about how the person's trans, something something therapy, something beginning transitioning, something it's okay if you want out, etc... etc.. to which my reply was "I don't fucking care." I got some good ass basslines fleshed out over this time then.
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That's odd. Wonder why the change of heart, thought you could normally skip this stuff if you wanted to.


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Fucking lol

Amazing story Das.
It's what I do best, lol.


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Atheists: Making a big deal out of nothing since 2000!

A wise man once said, "Pick your battles".


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Atheists: Making a big deal out of nothing since 2000!

A wise man once said, "Pick your battles".
It is a big deal, if someone doesn't believe in a god then why should they be forced to swear to said god?
It should be a choice whether to do it or not.
Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 02:29:38 PM by Gatsby


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Not a big deal at all.

If you want to serve, you need to make sacrifices.


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Not a big deal at all.

If you want to serve, you need to make sacrifices.
Why does God have to be involved at all? Just leave him out, and it's fine.


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Why does God have to be involved at all? Just leave him out, and it's fine.

Why shouldn't He be involved? I'd be willing to bet that most people in the armed forces believe in God.

Joining the Air Force isn't a forced thing (No pun intended) , If you don't like having to swear to a God, then don't join. Simple.


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Why shouldn't He be involved?
Don't capitalize that. God doesn't exist and you know it.


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Why shouldn't He be involved?
Because the US is not a Christian nation, and government support of religion is unconstitutional.

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I'd be willing to bet that most people in the armed forces believe in God.
...ok? So they can say "So help me God" at the end if they so choose, but it shouldn't be written into the oath.


 
 
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Don't capitalize that. God doesn't exist and you know it.

And you say I bait? You're a fucking faggot bro.


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And thats all fine and good. If you don't like it. Then don't join.

If my job wanted me to swear to the devil or Allah, I'd quit. I wouldn't bitch about it and be PC. Life is too short.


 
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