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So with wanting to go into the games industry....


At least a lot of developers are based in the US, right?

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The thing this whole referendum really brought to light, for me, was just how utterly retarded a lot of the voting population are.

There were about 3 people (IRL) over the last 6 months who had the slightest clue about anything beyond newspaper headlines and soundbites about the EU. Muh 350 gorrilion. Muh tidal wave of shitskins. The sky will fall on our heads. The economy will be utterly destroyed. WORLD WAR 3.

This whole thing has further cemented my dislike for democracy, can we just restore the monarchy already and go back to feudalism?

Its because people have more important shit to worry about. Not saying this is right, but its the truth. People work 8 hours a day and the last thing they want to do is come home and study up on some bullshit political stuff. Thats just how it is. People have to worry about their kids, putting food on the table, covering rent, ect. No one wants the extra stress.

Thats how every election here (USA) is. Most people just don't care. And rightfully so, it never truly impacts your day to day life.

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So with wanting to go into the games industry....


At least a lot of developers are based in the US, right?

Most are based either in the US or Japan. You've got a few sprinkled around Canada and Europe though.

Your intentions may be good, but you inadvertently voted for anti-intellectualism.

I'm sorry but this is blithely incorrect.

Did I find myself on the side of those who have expressed overly populistic and anti-intellectual attitudes? Yes. Does populism and anti-intellectualism define the Leave campaign? No, and you do a disservice to those of us (including, funnily enough, intellectuals) who voted Leave for reasons other than blind ignorance. If we're going to judge the campaigns by their worst elements, I could have a lot to say about the way Remain ran their campaign.

Ironically, there has been (subtle) anti-intellectualism in the Remain campaign too. Using politicised Treasury reports based on obviously poor or false assumptions to press your political narrative is rather more sinister in its anti-intellectualism than a politician on the TV expressing the misguided ignorance the people feel. One is a manipulation of intellectualism to serve a goal, the other is tapping into an already-existing feeling. A feeling, I should add, that has come about precisely because people feel like they have been failed by the elite. And they have. Is anti-intellectualism justified? No. But the anti-intellectuals are not the only ones with things to apologise for.

I understand that you feel strongly about the European Union, and about how the Leave campaign has operated. So have I. I have said before, and I will say again, that the priority is to make sure the globalist Eurosceptics beat the nativist ones. And for all their political rhetoric and anti-intellectualism, Gove and Johnson are still among the globalists.

I did my research. I read as many reports on the economic impacts as I could, read a few books, read through neutral websites and I made a judgement call based on the evidence. To suggest that my vote is a vote for anti-intellectualism--however unintentionally--is to judge me guilty by association. Which, given that a whole country was basically split into halves, is not at all difficult to do.

German industry pushing hard for favourable trade arrangements.

German industry pushing hard for favourable trade arrangements.

Called it. England with get some very favorable trade deals or FTA's. Mainland Europe needs the UK more than the UK needs the Union.

HAHAHA.

That petition was also created on the 23rd of May.

The thing this whole referendum really brought to light, for me, was just how utterly retarded a lot of the voting population are.

There were about 3 people (IRL) over the last 6 months who had the slightest clue about anything beyond newspaper headlines and soundbites about the EU. Muh 350 gorrilion. Muh tidal wave of shitskins. The sky will fall on our heads. The economy will be utterly destroyed. WORLD WAR 3.

This whole thing has further cemented my dislike for democracy, can we just restore the monarchy already and go back to feudalism?

Its because people have more important shit to worry about. Not saying this is right, but its the truth. People work 8 hours a day and the last thing they want to do is come home and study up on some bullshit political stuff. Thats just how it is. People have to worry about their kids, putting food on the table, covering rent, ect. No one wants the extra stress.

Thats how every election here (USA) is. Most people just don't care. And rightfully so, it never truly impacts your day to day life.

Brits voted they didn't want to be dictated by the EU.

Telegraph article highlighting the split in the Leave camp.

This combustible social squaring up is a token of the profound nature of the two camps’ mutual incomprehension. But through the bitter, patronising insults that have been hurled back and forth, above the reckless hurly-burly, one sentiment stands out: white working class voters feel that, just for once, they have not been silenced. Quite the reverse. And they have used their newfound power to give the establishment, out-of-touch metropolitan ruling class, a damn good kicking.

The only problem is that they are about to discover something that is galling in the extreme: the sneery Remain elite that they have so sensationally defenestrated will be quickly and seamlessly replaced by something startingly similar from their own side.

There have always been two Brexit camps. One is that angry white working class - the blue collar workers who feel marginalised by immigration, who want less of it; who are the losers from globalisation and want less of that too. They are the instinctive, pull-up-the-drawbridge protectionists, the bring-back-the-old-days types so heartily championed by Farage.

Then there is the other camp. These are the sovereignty-ists, the fed up with ever-closer-union types. The anti-federalists. This camp is not populated by the poor and unemployed. This is not Nigel’s peasant army. This is the tribe led by Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. The intelligentsia. Many are pretty well off, actually. They’ve done quite well out of open borders, thanks. And immigration? Well, it’s part of the package of a thriving, globalised, outward looking economy isn’t it?

So within about 20 minutes of Brexit being announced we saw Dan Hannan (Tribe 2) warning the great unwashed (Tribe 1) that they shouldn’t expect lower immigration anytime soon. When Boris came out to speak, he barely mentioned the issue that was the principal driver of his victory.

Also worth noting Farage has literally been excluded from being a part of the negotiations.

Thats how every election here (USA) is. Most people just don't care. And rightfully so, it never truly impacts your day to day life.

By that logic, they should care to vote far more with their local government. They affect your day to day life by an insane amount when compared to the President.

But voter turnout is insanely low for those things too. Americans, for all their talking for a right to vote, don't really vote much.

Although, to be fair to you, I probably do find it easier to cosy up to less desirable types if I think the cause is worth it. If only because I'm cynical and pessimistic about the state of society as a whole.

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Although, to be fair to you, I probably do find it easier to cosy up to less desirable types if I think the cause is worth it. If only because I'm cynical and pessimistic about the state of society as a whole.

Oh yeah, I fully understand that. I'll get back to the rest of your post in a bit.

I just want to say your post riled me a little bit, so I probably responded more 'forcefully' than I think I'd have liked. I know you weren't trying to fire me up, though.

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Thats how every election here (USA) is. Most people just don't care. And rightfully so, it never truly impacts your day to day life.

By that logic, they should care to vote far more with their local government. They affect your day to day life by an insane amount when compared to the President.

But voter turnout is insanely low for those things too. Americans, for all their talking for a right to vote, don't really vote much.

I 100% agree. People SHOULD vote more and be more knowledgeable politically.

But like I said, people have more important things to worry about in their day to day life.

I mean look, I was pissed that Obama won 2 times. But my day to day life was/is completely uneffected by who is president. If I spent time stressing over who is president and what not, I'll lose sight of what's really important. Feeding my family.

Thats how every election here (USA) is. Most people just don't care. And rightfully so, it never truly impacts your day to day life.

By that logic, they should care to vote far more with their local government. They affect your day to day life by an insane amount when compared to the President.

But voter turnout is insanely low for those things too. Americans, for all their talking for a right to vote, don't really vote much.

I 100% agree. People SHOULD vote more and be more knowledgeable politically.

But like I said, people have more important things to worry about in their day to day life.

I mean look, I was pissed that Obama won 2 times. But my day to day life was/is completely uneffected by who is president. If I spent time stressing over who is president and what not, I'll lose sight of what's really important. Feeding my family.

Yeah I completely get where you're coming from. My US Studies teacher in Highschool really stressed out how voting for the President is cool and all, but voting locally should matter a hell of a lot more to you than anything else.

He also never stated his political views and always played devils advocate and I loved it. His passion for teaching and making us get into our government is probably a huge reason I am into politics like I am, and going for a major for it.

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I like that they're still called Britons

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Honestly I just find it despicable that my age group (18-24) are the ones most pissed about the vote and are the ones statistically that will have to live with the decision the longest. Yet all you see now is "Old people screwed us over!!!" Even though there was the lowest rate of voting in that bracket (36% of 18-24's, iirc)

You don't get to fucking complain about the results when you didn't go fucking take part. Say what you like about leavers but at least they actually cared about the issue. People who didn't spend 15 minutes and are now complaining about what happened are the worst.

Honestly I just find it despicable that my age group (18-24) are the ones most pissed about the vote and are the ones statistically that will have to live with the decision the longest. Yet all you see now is "Old people screwed us over!!!" Even though there was the lowest rate of voting in that bracket (36% of them, iirc)

You don't get to fucking complain about the results when you didn't go fucking take part. Say what you like about leavers but at least they actually cared about the issue. People who didn't spend 15 minutes and are now complaining about what happened are the worst.

My thoughts exactly.

Also, imagine if the Leave side had petitioned for a second referendum; they would be ridiculed to no end.

an increasing number of Leavers who regret their decision for being uninformed

As far as I know, this is simply the media playing spin doctor again. The number of Remain voters who are happy we've left is 4%, whereas the number of Leave voters who regret their choice is at 1%.

Also, imagine if the Leave side had petitioned for a second referendum; they would be ridiculed to no end.

That petition was created a month before the referendum by a Leave voter.