Huh... well what'd do ya know... looks like you lot are on your way to a two-party state.

Huh... well what'd do ya know... looks like you lot are on your way to a two-party state.

We've had a two party state since the creation of Labour m8. The recent resurgence of UKIP, The Greens, Plaid Cymru and SNP is simply a reaction to the dissatisfaction of a two party state and a coalition government.

FPTP is the real problem here.

I'm not convinced by the people who claim seats should be allocated according to national vote share.

I do support AV, in that the representative of a constituency should be the first to cross the 50pc threshold of support, though.

3 million people voted for a UKIP government, and you're saying you're not convinced that seats shouldn't be allocated corresponding with the vote share?

I mean yeah, it'd be a bit of a clusterfuck to implement initially, but there's really no excuse for the amount of shafting the Kippers got. Greens too.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 08, 2015, 07:04:11 PM

you're saying you're not convinced that seats shouldn't be allocated corresponding with the vote share?

Absolutely.

You could get a share of the vote enough to award you a seat under such a system, where you didn't even win in any constituency. How can somebody possibly represent a constituency which I) mostly didn't vote for them II) probably doesn't want them? Not only is it unfair to the electorate, but it will completely remove the representative-constituent relationship which is fundamental to the operation of democracy in the first place.

Which is why I disagree with constituency representation. They're basically just cliques at this point, suffocating the individual voter like myself.

The most I could get behind is multi-member constituencies.

That sounds more troublesome - coalitions on a local scale. That just makes more people to argue with over everything.

I kinda agree with the current system the UK has. Sure the representation isn't fair in comparison to votes, but the North has a far lower population density so parties up there need less individual votes, while still needing  a majority to take a seat.

E.g. 50- something constituencies in Scotland, whereas there's frickin' tonnes in England and South Wales to balance out the population density (3 for Cardiff alone).

As for UKIP and the Greens, all those votes mean shit if you come second place in your constituency, which apparently a lot of Green candidates and Nigel Farage himself did I believe.

I'm glad we are at least getting a center-right government in Finland that does not love the EU.

Huh... well what'd do ya know... looks like you lot are on your way to a two-party state.

On the way? It's been Labour or the Torries for a long time now.

We should have voted UKIP so Comms' family gets split up and deported

We should have voted UKIP so Comms' family gets split up and deported

This.