Trump No Longer Leads in Iowa

 
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Ben Carson has surged past Donald Trump in Iowa, according to a Quinnipiac University poll of likely Republican caucus participants out Thursday.

The retired neurosurgeon leads the Republican field with 28 percent, while Trump has fallen behind with 20 percent. A September survey had Trump at 27 percent, and Carson at 21 percent.

Also scoring a boost — Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who comes in third with 13 percent, after attracting only 5 percent support in last month's poll. Following Rubio in the most recent survey is Texas Sen. Ted Cruz with 10 percent, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul with 6 percent, and Carly Fiorina and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, both with 5 percent. All other candidates are under 3 percent.

The strong showing from Carson, who has gotten accolades for his debate performance and campaign style despite tossing out some inflammatory comments about Muslims and mass shootings, comes in part from his support from women, who back Carson 33 percent to Trump's 13 percent.

Carson also has “almost unheard of” favorability numbers according to Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

“Those who know Carson seem to like him. He has an almost unheard of 84/10 percent favorability rating among likely Republican caucus-goers, compared to Trump’s 53/43 percent rating. To borrow the line from Madison Avenue, ‘Almost no one doesn’t like Ben Carson,’” Brown said.

While Carson and Trump have been jockeying for support from evangelical voters, Carson received 36 percent of the vote from white, evangelical Christians — more than double Trump’s 17 percent.

And while Trump may sit toward the top of the poll, 30 percent of voters said they “would definitely not support” the businessman. Bush comes in second as a no-support candidate with 21 percent.

A candidate who shares their values is most important to 28 percent of caucus-goers; 23 percent think being honest and trustworthy is key.

But Carson doesn’t have to worry about which quality is more important because 84 percent of those polled said he shares their values and 89 percent felt he is honest and trustworthy. He also topped other candidates when it came to caring about voters' needs and problems — 87 percent felt he did.

“It’s Ben Carson’s turn in the spotlight,” Brown said.

The poll of 574 likely Iowa Republican caucus-goers took place Oct. 14-20 via landlines and cell phones. The margin of error is plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.



 
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That's just so bizarre to me. I mean, SURE, HE BEATS TRUMP, but I mean...


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Not like it matters. The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up. To win the race to be POTUS, you need to energize voters in swing states, and get the middle 20% to vote your way. So far no one has been able to. The problem is with the Republicans themselves. Too far to the Right and the 20% won't vote for you. Too close to the middle and the Republican Party won't endorse you.

It's arguable if the US is right or left of center. The main point is that it's in the center. You can't dictate from the far right or left. You have to be in the middle. As much as I like Bernie, he's still too far left. He may not be in a winning position either.

Sadly, I miss Bill. Politically he was ever so slightly left of center.

And he liked blowjobs. Never trust a man who wouldn't accept head.


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The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up.
Most of that problem is the fact that there are so many nominees that are repeats of each other. There is no definitive candidate because of how splintered the party is right now. As nominees withdraw, the pack leaders will become more clear.


 
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Not like it matters. The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up. To win the race to be POTUS, you need to energize voters in swing states, and get the middle 20% to vote your way. So far no one has been able to. The problem is with the Republicans themselves. Too far to the Right and the 20% won't vote for you. Too close to the middle and the Republican Party won't endorse you.

It's arguable if the US is right or left of center. The main point is that it's in the center. You can't dictate from the far right or left. You have to be in the middle. As much as I like Bernie, he's still too far left. He may not be in a winning position either.

Sadly, I miss Bill. Politically he was ever so slightly left of center.

And he liked blowjobs. Never trust a man who wouldn't accept head.
You have interesting opinions, so I'll ask this.

Given how the Republican party has been more or less "hijacked" by the more right winged people, do you think their party is in danger of tearing apart? Or ending entirely? I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party spawn from the far right because of that, or the moderate Republicans making their own.


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Not like it matters. The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up. To win the race to be POTUS, you need to energize voters in swing states, and get the middle 20% to vote your way. So far no one has been able to. The problem is with the Republicans themselves. Too far to the Right and the 20% won't vote for you. Too close to the middle and the Republican Party won't endorse you.

It's arguable if the US is right or left of center. The main point is that it's in the center. You can't dictate from the far right or left. You have to be in the middle. As much as I like Bernie, he's still too far left. He may not be in a winning position either.

Sadly, I miss Bill. Politically he was ever so slightly left of center.

And he liked blowjobs. Never trust a man who wouldn't accept head.
You have interesting opinions, so I'll ask this.

Given how the Republican party has been more or less "hijacked" by the more right winged people, do you think their party is in danger of tearing apart? Or ending entirely? I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party spawn from the far right because of that, or the moderate Republicans making their own.

There was a chance with the original Tea Party.  However, they ended up being absorbed into the current Republican party.


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Not like it matters. The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up. To win the race to be POTUS, you need to energize voters in swing states, and get the middle 20% to vote your way. So far no one has been able to. The problem is with the Republicans themselves. Too far to the Right and the 20% won't vote for you. Too close to the middle and the Republican Party won't endorse you.

It's arguable if the US is right or left of center. The main point is that it's in the center. You can't dictate from the far right or left. You have to be in the middle. As much as I like Bernie, he's still too far left. He may not be in a winning position either.

Sadly, I miss Bill. Politically he was ever so slightly left of center.

And he liked blowjobs. Never trust a man who wouldn't accept head.
You have interesting opinions, so I'll ask this.

Given how the Republican party has been more or less "hijacked" by the more right winged people, do you think their party is in danger of tearing apart? Or ending entirely? I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party spawn from the far right because of that, or the moderate Republicans making their own.

I think it has split. That's why Boehner stepped down as SotH. Will it end? Only if they fail to reinvent themselves.


 
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I think it has split. That's why Boehner stepped down as SotH. Will it end? Only if they fail to reinvent themselves.
Boehner was a moderate, yeah. He probably hates the insane right. Still, what I more or less meant was if they'd actually have official splits. As in the parties split in two and it becomes more or less a 3 party sytem.


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I wouldn't be displeased to see a Ben Carson presidency.
I would. The dude is a moron outside of his field of expertise who says the stupidest shit.


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Not like it matters. The Republicans have yet to put a polarizing figure up. To win the race to be POTUS, you need to energize voters in swing states, and get the middle 20% to vote your way. So far no one has been able to. The problem is with the Republicans themselves. Too far to the Right and the 20% won't vote for you. Too close to the middle and the Republican Party won't endorse you.

It's arguable if the US is right or left of center. The main point is that it's in the center. You can't dictate from the far right or left. You have to be in the middle. As much as I like Bernie, he's still too far left. He may not be in a winning position either.

Sadly, I miss Bill. Politically he was ever so slightly left of center.

And he liked blowjobs. Never trust a man who wouldn't accept head.
You have interesting opinions, so I'll ask this.

Given how the Republican party has been more or less "hijacked" by the more right winged people, do you think their party is in danger of tearing apart? Or ending entirely? I wouldn't be surprised to see a new political party spawn from the far right because of that, or the moderate Republicans making their own.

There was a chance with the original Tea Party.  However, they ended up being absorbed into the current Republican party.
the OG tea party was fine until it was co-opted by the religious extremists


 
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I wouldn't be displeased to see a Ben Carson presidency.
I would. The dude is a moron outside of his field of expertise who says the stupidest shit.
Okay so aside from you not liking it, what makes it "stupid"?

You can say the man has shit stances, I happily will, but he comes from no less intelligent a position than any other candidate.
I guess I should clarify and say his social stances, or at least the things that come out of his mouth.

Saying Obamacare is worse than slavery comes to mind (ironic a black man says this), or that Muslims shouldn't be allowed president or any sort of leadership role up top.

He also just doesn't have the charisma a leader of arguably the most influential country in the world should have if you ask me.


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I think it has split. That's why Boehner stepped down as SotH. Will it end? Only if they fail to reinvent themselves.
Boehner was a moderate, yeah. He probably hates the insane right. Still, what I more or less meant was if they'd actually have official splits. As in the parties split in two and it becomes more or less a 3 party sytem.
I'd think the Libertarian party growing would be more probable than a split per se.


 
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The fuck? Carson is one of the most charismatic candidates to run in my lifetime.

We must have different definitions of charismatic - half the time, he looks and sounds like he's doped up


 
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I feel like this is bullshit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2013/10/11/ben-carson-obamacare-worst-thing-since-slavery/

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He literally did not say this
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/politics/ben-carson-muslim-president-sharia-law/

Maybe not any leadership position. That one was my bad, but it still doesn't excuse what this idiot said on it. Especially since the man doesn't understand the Founding Fathers for a reason said Christianity isn't what runs this country or any religion should dictate it. They said that for a reason.

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The fuck? Carson is one of the most charismatic candidates to run in my lifetime.
Sorry, but like Icy said, I don't see this man as charismatic at all. I could easily see people just walking over him and his slow talking ass.
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Carson is one of the most charismatic candidates to run in my lifetime.
carson sounds like he's recovering from a stroke


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Carson is one of the most charismatic candidates to run in my lifetime.
carson sounds like he's recovering from a stroke
CAN'T ARSON THE CARSON
maybe being on fire would liven him up a little


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Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson – the man currently leading at least one poll in the crucial state of Iowa – has said he would like to see abortion outlawed in the United States. He said he would not make exceptions for cases of rape or incest.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/ben-carson-says-abortion-should-be-outlawed-even-in-cases-of-rape-and-incest-a6708411.html

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Not the least bit surprising. His popularity and support is inevitably going to begin tapering off as the elections get closer and closer. It might be all fun and games during the first few months for a circus clown like Trump but I think most Americans tend to take voting more seriously as November comes around.


He's not towing the party line anyway so it's not like he'll even be getting nominated. Don't know why people are getting so worked up about him.


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Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson – the man currently leading at least one poll in the crucial state of Iowa – has said he would like to see abortion outlawed in the United States. He said he would not make exceptions for cases of rape or incest.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/ben-carson-says-abortion-should-be-outlawed-even-in-cases-of-rape-and-incest-a6708411.html

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Meh. He's black so it doesn't matter. The GOP would never nominate someone who isn't white, especially if that person is black. Not sure why Carson is running as Republican in the first place.


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