And nothing of value was gained, nor lost.

Life moves on.

Politics. How tiresome. Glad to be done with this year's round of shit.

I suppose he was ready!

Lol what history.

Say whatever you like about the man, but never in Canadian history has the son of a Prime Minister been elected.

It's politics. People in suits with old timey theatre masks on. I expect nothing different to come of this. There might be a few uppity bumps here or there with little bits of change thrown in.

But come the fuck on, let's not get excited here. Nothing miraculous will come from this.

Always disliked elections. Especially when fucking people get all uppity like their PM is the second coming of christ and the streets are now made of gold.

Give me a break.

Did you play College ball or something?

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Lol what history.

Say whatever you like about the man, but never in Canadian history has the son of a Prime Minister been elected.

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It's politics. People in suits with old timey theatre masks on. I expect nothing different to come of this. There might be a few uppity bumps here or there with little bits of change thrown in.

But come the fuck on, let's not get excited here. Nothing miraculous will come from this.

Always disliked elections. Especially when fucking people get all uppity like their PM is the second coming of christ and the streets are now made of gold.

Give me a break.

Did you play College ball or something?

Haha. Cute. No. Never made it to college. Sports were never my thing.

As for the son of a PM thing. Your point? He's the son of an ex Prime Minister. Okay. So that's a first in our history. And nothing more. Does it mean he'll do a good job? No. No it doesn't. I don't expect much from the folks up top. If anything phenominal happens, then sure, woo, good job and congratulations on scoring a governmental leader not made of ass and bullshit.

If not? Business as usual. Life goes on.

Haha. Cute. No. Never made it to college. Sports were never my thing.

I was making a joke about how you were spouting pretty much the same thing a character in Metal Gear does about politicians.

As for the son of a PM thing. Your point? He's the son of an ex Prime Minister. Okay. So that's a first in our history. And nothing more.

I mean, I think it's kind of cool but w/e.

Does it mean he'll do a good job? No.

You can't do much worse than Harper, though.

If anything phenominal happens, then sure, woo, good job and congratulations on scoring a governmental leader not made of ass and bullshit.

So what, in your opinion, would constitute "something phenomenal"?

Canadian politicians are much less cartooney than Americans, and most of the time are pretty straight-forward on their goals. I don't like Harper but at least you know what he wants and why -- he's open about his beliefs. As for the other candidates, I don't feel as though any of them have a hidden agenda like I do with Clinton or Trump.

Nothing they could ever do would count as phenominal to me. I think our society is a little bit archaic. It's values, it's focuses, it's direction. And, politicians are a part of that mangled up webwork that people have the audacity to call a functioning system. They'll never do anything phenominal because they're a part of a sub-par system. They can only focus and see within the confines of what our current system is.

They can flex the edges around a little bit and shake things up, but ultimately, they'll never take any truly brave steps.

If you're going to ask me that if I have such a low opinion of our system, then what would be our game plan be if it were me in charge? I don't have an answer to that. Our system is the best we can currently do. It plays to human nature, and plain and simple, most human nature is shit.

So, really, when it comes to politics, I don't care. It's always going to be the same thing. It's not in my interests or business to put any emphasis on what a man several thousand kilometers away is going to write down on a piece of paper in his office.

It also strikes me as odd that you claim to care very little for politics yet have actively engaged in discussion with me twice in the last week regarding them.


But that's none of my business.

There's really not much I can say that I haven't already to your position of voting. I'm an advocate for change, you don't believe there is any way to achieve that.

As for the refugees,  I disagree. These people are living in hell and it is our obligation as a country to help in any capacity. Think if the roles were reversed. Not only that, but logistically speaking, Canada needs to bring in, at least, 200K immigrants every year to combat population decline and sustain the economy. We would literally implode without them.

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 20, 2015, 01:46:27 AM

There's really not much I can say that I haven't already to your position of voting. I'm an advocate for change, you don't believe there is any way to achieve that.

As for the refugees,  I disagree. These people are living in hell and it is our obligation as a country to help in any capacity. Think if the roles were reversed. Not only that, but logistically speaking, Canada needs to bring in, at least, 200K immigrants every year to combat population decline and sustain the economy. We would literally implode without them.

Here's the thing about those countries. I'm not soulless. And I can agree that what's happening is terrible. But there's two little hitches. Three, actually.

The first being, infiltrators and sleeper agents. You're honestly not telling me that some fucking asshole faction over in that country isn't going to capitalize on boatloads of immigrants to send some of their own into new territory? And you can't screen for that shit.

Second. If the roles where reversed? They wouldn't give a shit. And I wouldn't expect them to. You might call this view harsh, but those people, let their own damn country go without a fight. How many of them are fleeing? How many millions of them are running away when they could all instead, fight?

I understand that yes, there's women and children in those refugee batches. I understand that fear is powerful. But they're being completely senseless about their situation. If they banded together and they fought for their country, tooth and nail like a cornered animal, then I'd have a little more sympathy. They let their government do what it did. So why can't they fucking clean their mess up or at least, fight harder?

This is eerie, I know, what with my defeatist notions on governments. But if it were me, and my country was being invaded by an outside force, I would not run. I would send those I care for away. And then I'd go off on my own to fight.

And third. Canada's refugee/intergration stance is ridiculous. Because what happens when you bring in new people from another country? Bonuses and help programs. Things that help them set up a life here.

And the real irony is, there's so many help programs and stimulus packages for new people, that they can shoot up the ladder on a fast track to a decent, easy life, faster than a native canadian citizen could. And that's not fair.

One last thing. I misphrased population expansion. A somewhat high population isn't bad. But what's bad is when they cluster. It's been scientifically proven, that human being's IQ levels go down, based on the larger concentration of people. Their cognitive reasoning and problem solving ability plummets.

And, for some effect, you can se this in mob mentality. The phrase, "Two heads are better than one" is very real. I think humans work at their absolute best alone, or in small close knit groups. But the more people you crowd into a space, the more messy it becomes.

And Canada did something right in it's early days. Keep in mind, it's just my opinion. We used to operate like a webbed network. Towns. In my province, there are hundreds of them. A lot of them gone now, obviously.

It was a network of small, close knit communities, which was something good. The clustering of the population into the cities is a bad thing. It's like that old paradise test a scientist did with rats that were supplied everything. Their population exploded, condensed, and then collapsed, every time. I highly doubt that we're immune to that effect as a species.

I'll say it with a sense of humor. We're a little bit like cancer. In small little clusters here or there, we're not really an issue. But condensed and expanding? Trouble.

But, these are all my opinions anyway. They might mean something, or nothing. Either way, I will never be in a position of power to dictate them. And I'm fine with that.

The world is going to do it's thing. And I'll do mine in relative peace and quiet.

I hope you don't mind if I quote you multiple times. It's the easiest way to counter specific arguments.

Canada? More like COMMIEDA!

That was awful.

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Quote from: Prehistoric on October 20, 2015, 07:59:08 AM

I hope you don't mind if I quote you multiple times. It's the easiest way to counter specific arguments.

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I need to get a laptop so I don't have to reply on my phone lol

I'm in classes right now, I should be able to respond around 5 tonight.

If you press the quote and reply buttons, we're all going to die. My posts were not designed and built to handle that kind of strain.

I'll have to stop you.

So do you want me to reply or are you just completely uninterested?

I gave my particular opinions on the subject matter. But, I'm not going to be very interested in changing them. I might read through what you have to say. But, no bets.