Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:08:13 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:04:25 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you. you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix itif there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with youbut there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transitionEven the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate.
Quote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:04:25 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you. you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix itif there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with youbut there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transition
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you.
Quote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.
Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
(rather than trying to help them cure it)
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:39:14 AMexcept it doesSuicide is a solution to you?Quoteliterally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transitionwhich i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see themWhat?
except it does
literally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transitionwhich i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see them
Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 11:07:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:09:31 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:08:13 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:04:25 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you. you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix itif there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with youbut there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transitionEven the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate. i'm sure it has nothing to do with the depression and anxiety issues that come along with some of their conditions, compounded by fuck like you being insufferable assholes to themNope, it's not that. Definitely not.We've had this debate before. I've showed you it's the dysphoria that causes their depression, even after their surgery and all the crap they do. If you're implying they commit suicide because people voice their opinions, you really couldn't be more wrong. It's just a constant attack on free speech from you, and it's getting tiring.
Quote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:09:31 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:08:13 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:04:25 AMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you. you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix itif there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with youbut there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transitionEven the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate. i'm sure it has nothing to do with the depression and anxiety issues that come along with some of their conditions, compounded by fuck like you being insufferable assholes to themNope, it's not that. Definitely not.
oh lawdy this bread blew upI wasn't really referring to the issue of transgenderism in my OP any more than I was commentating on the deluge of hypocrisy amongst the panel, and pretty much the rest of the media. If you guys want to talk about transgenderism, this thread wasn't intended for that kind of discussion.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 01:27:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:39:14 AMexcept it doesSuicide is a solution to you?Quoteliterally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transitionwhich i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see themWhat?40% attempt suicide, compared to what though? Are you implying they're better off wallowing in the misery of having to be a gender they feel foreign in?I think we're looking at it from entirely wrong angle. Mostly because we buy into their madness. I don't pretend to know the answers. But we should sure as hell try to find out.
Quote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 01:05:03 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:39:14 AMexcept it doesSuicide is a solution to you?Quoteliterally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transitionwhich i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see themWhat?40% attempt suicide, compared to what though? Are you implying they're better off wallowing in the misery of having to be a gender they feel foreign in?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 01:48:52 PMlol attack on free speech.are you for real right now?Your right to free speech means the government can't punish you for what you say. Free speech does not guarantee you an audience for you projectile vomit of hateful words, nor does it shield you from public criticism.Oh please, we all know if it were up to you it's be illegal for people to say these things.
lol attack on free speech.are you for real right now?Your right to free speech means the government can't punish you for what you say. Free speech does not guarantee you an audience for you projectile vomit of hateful words, nor does it shield you from public criticism.
Shit, if a politician ever said this it'd be game over for his career.
QuoteI seriously can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling for funzies.>he disagrees so he's a trollThis isn't sovietunion.net
I seriously can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling for funzies.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:56:19 PMand rightfully so. social consequences are not the same as the government telling you that you can't do something.Because he doesn't agree with indulging in their insanity?
and rightfully so. social consequences are not the same as the government telling you that you can't do something.
QuoteDo you not understand how I might not think you're serious?I couldn't care less.
Do you not understand how I might not think you're serious?
At some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solution
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 03:01:33 PMIf it was feasible with our current resources, it would be being looked into.Naive as fuckQuoteAnd I don't think there's anything wrong with a cure to dysphoria, I just don't know why you hate treating it when a cure doesn't exist.Except it's not being treated. They're just being pandered to.
If it was feasible with our current resources, it would be being looked into.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with a cure to dysphoria, I just don't know why you hate treating it when a cure doesn't exist.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 25, 2015, 08:51:08 AMQuote from: Naoto on July 25, 2015, 08:30:57 AMI get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.It absolutely is not, especially not in a mere debate, no matter how strongly one feels about the issue. I come into conflict with a lot of others on this site over my personal views but I wouldn't threaten anybody over an argument, no matter how heated. Least of all in personI think OP has a real point in pointing out the hypocrisy of the social left and the media when it comes to the kind of things. I haven't heard anything about this until now. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that wouldn't be the case if the roles were reversed.One last thing: Was I the only one creeped out by how the trans guy was touching Shapiro? If I were Ben I would've told him to get his hands off me. And before Max says something like "what, because she's transgender?" Physical contact such as that between people who are generally unfamiliar with each other is creepy, at least to me, in any circumstance, let alone one in which the one making the contact is threatening physical violence.
Quote from: Naoto on July 25, 2015, 08:30:57 AMI get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.
I get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.
Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 26, 2015, 01:34:19 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 01:47:03 PMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 26, 2015, 01:34:19 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?No shit there's no cures, because people like YOU are offended at the idea of looking for one. Maybe if we actually lent time to the idea, one could be found, hmmmmmmm???
Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 26, 2015, 09:19:29 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 01:47:03 PMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 26, 2015, 01:34:19 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?No shit there's no cures, because people like YOU are offended at the idea of looking for one. Maybe if we actually lent time to the idea, one could be found, hmmmmmmm???How do you change the physical makeup of ones brain without a lobotomy?
The idea that there is a cure is nothing but conjecture. Your reasoning that doctors aren't looking for a cure because they're "liberal biased" is absolutely nonsensical.ffs guys this is supposed to be the serious board
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 05:05:24 PMAt some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solutionChallenger: "Transgenderism is an illness and as such requires treatment, not indulgence". Max: "HURR DURR, WHY DO YOU HATE TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE AND WANT TO DENY THEM HELP?" Jesus fucking Christ man.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 26, 2015, 06:18:57 PMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 05:05:24 PMAt some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solutionChallenger: "Transgenderism is an illness and as such requires treatment, not indulgence". Max: "HURR DURR, WHY DO YOU HATE TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE AND WANT TO DENY THEM HELP?" Jesus fucking Christ man.Way to miss the fucking point.Challenger doesn't want to help transgender people handle their situation. He wants to "cure" them and make them "normal" like the rest of us. Perpetuating the idea that transgender people have a mental illness and need to be cured of it is not only fucking wrong, but it makes that person look like a fucking twat.
Quote from: Maverick on July 26, 2015, 09:36:27 PMThe idea that there is a cure is nothing but conjecture. Your reasoning that doctors aren't looking for a cure because they're "liberal biased" is absolutely nonsensical.ffs guys this is supposed to be the serious boardIt hasn't even been given a chance. Could you imagine the media outcry and vilification if a public study went underway on transgenderism, looking for a cure? Anyone involved would be crucified by the liberal media, the lesbo faggot transgender group, and social justice warriors everywhere. They would cry intolerance and hate, when it would be for understanding and treatment.
Trans woman Zoe Tur to Ben Shapiro: "You'll go home in an ambulance"
