I'm actually on 3 forums.


You are not the only offsite.


If this is torture then please discuss this with anyone who is an advanced exploitation operator in the role of HUNINT Collector MOS 35M in the US Army.

Brits, Canadians, us Australians, we all have an equivalent. Everyone uses these techniques.

Well not water boarding.


They don't just grab people and conduct these techniques. They are reserves for extremely high value targets who have highly valuable information.

So no, not women and children.

Women and children usually have source operators deal with them unless they have to be removed from from the locale, in which Exploitation operators deal with them. But basic exploitation usually just involves talk. Talking about anything. Middle eastern cultures respond better to acts if kindness rather than harsh aggressive methods. Kindness tends and respect gets them talking.

Though earning such respect can be difficult with males. It can take quite some time to build that rapport.


I love it how angry you guys get over such little things, especially when you make assumptions in regards to the absolute worse things possible. For example every detainee being subjected to such methods.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-globalized-torture-black-sites/5353706

http://generalstrikeusa.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/torture-american-style-pt-2.html

http://ushypocrisy.com/2013/04/28/lest-we-forget-the-horrifying-images-from-abu-ghraib-prison-in-iraq-graphic-imagery/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals

OI MATE THROW ANOTHER KID ON THE CHAIR LET'S FUCK HIM UP THE ASS WITH A LIGHTBULB MATE

Promise? 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-globalized-torture-black-sites/5353706

http://generalstrikeusa.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/torture-american-style-pt-2.html

http://ushypocrisy.com/2013/04/28/lest-we-forget-the-horrifying-images-from-abu-ghraib-prison-in-iraq-graphic-imagery/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_prison_abuse_scandals

OI MATE THROW ANOTHER KID ON THE CHAIR LET'S FUCK HIM UP THE ASS WITH A LIGHTBULB MATE

There more interrogators than the handful listed.

Yet only those few reviewed punishment.

Why?

Because they took the techniques and added their own "flare" to them.

You cannot physically beat a detainee. You cannot use electricity against them.
You can use the "idea" of fear such as the dog in their face barking, etc, to enhance the fear of capture however cannot allow any harm to come to the detainee themselves.
Those stress positions used in the photos even though stress positions are not the approved positions.


Those interrogators deserved jail sentences. But those are extreme cases.


But by all means just blanket label all forms of interrogation as torture. You have shown your ignorance and lack of understanding on many thing on many occasions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I love how you just say they didn't follow the specific "regulations" (stress positions are stress positions, there's no nice way to torture) and that those people should be jailed and everything else is ok.

Here's the thing bucko, when you allow torture, people are going to add their own "flare" to the interrogation because this shit is conducted in black sites where they can do whatever they want. They can rape a child with a gaslight and show it to the parents to make them talk because who's going to jail them? Nobody.

Now take your bullshit and stuff it up your ass.

Yeah, no.

That is not conducted by coalition forces. You have your wires crossed.


As for the stuff about people not following regulations. Happens every day in every job. How many cops don't do the right thing? How many kids at mcdonalds spot in food or drop it on the floor and still serve it to people? Those are just a few examples.

Some people just do bad things and continue to do so because they get away with it. You have some pretty twisted and weird ideas as to what interrogation is. If you have to resort to what you are talking about then they are not interrogators at all, as if you were one it would never have to reach that stage.


Please take your demented/sadistic ideas elsewhere.

Dude, they did that to people. They raped kids with gaslights and forced the parents to watch in black sites. Read my links. Why would I make that up? I can't imagine even hitting a kid, let alone the disgusting shit that's done to them in those black sites.

That's why "enhanced interrogation techiniques" shouldn't be allowed, because people will not follow regulations and do whatever they please. That's my point.

Those things you mentioned were not conducted by coalition/US interrogators. That was carried out by the outsourced interrogators.

Outsourced work can be dangerous as those from other countries that are not signatories of the Geneva convention and all that jazz are free to do what they like. Hence why a lot of people were taken to "black sites" off US soil. Places like Egypt and what not were used.

These things may have occurred, but not by HUMINT collectors from coalition forces.

There is quite a difference form what you have said and pointed out to and what really goes down.

I read the links when you first posted them.

1. Military Police do not interrogate. They are not interrogators. HUMINT collectors, specifically Exploitation Operators are Interrogators.

Military police guard, transport and prosecute. Therefore the link in regards to photos taken and claims made by Military police shows THEIR abuse of power and stepping outside their job roles.

2. None of those sites are credible sites. You could not use them in university assignments, research papers or even reference them in a debate without being laughed at.

3. Pictures if makes standing nude is not torture. Heaven forbid you ever attempt SASR selections if you think such treatment is torture.

4. Pictures such as the detainees sitting tied together on the cargo floor of an aircraft is not torture. They are tied in, even with the cargo door open nothing will happen, but it gives the sensation they will fall out.

Other pictures such as detainees sitting bound outside whilst a military person hold a cup of water... How is that torture?


5. Wikipedia is a user created form of information. I could create a Wikipedia entry in regards to how I am a god and that would somehow be credible.


All your claims of torture and "raping" with gas lights is as I earlier stated conducted by outsourced operators. Not belonging to any country's military means they fall outside the laws of armed conflict and that no country is held responsible. In regards to places such as Egypt, etc, local interrogators are used to conduct the interrogations/torture. Coalition pers "may" observe but they do not partake or conduct such methods.


You really don't have a grasp on how any of this works do you? Obviously with your use of supporting links to 3rd party sources you don't understand how to support arguments.
 

There's no point in debating with spook. His mentality is as follows; anything America does = Good Anyone else = Bad

I know.

I love America, but I'm not dumb enough to ignore its serious flaws. He's Australian, but he acts like anything Coalition forces do is good.

HE WANTS TO BE AMERICAN SO BAD