This is what you do if you shoot somebody in self defence.

AngryBrute · February 02, 2015, 03:08:30 PM

As a CCW holder, you NEVER EVER want to get into a situation where it means you have to use that weapon. But if that ever happens, these are the steps that I am to take should that day ever come. Which I hope not, because this looks like a nightmare.

In Texas, there is this program called Texas Law Shield. They represent CCW holders in situations when they had to use what they hopped would never happen. In this case, shoot somebody...

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So You Had To Use A Gun, Now What?

The moments after you have used a gun are critical. If you do or say the incorrect thing, it may mean the difference between keeping your legal rights and waiving them. These legal rights may ultimately be the difference between preserving your freedom, or not! Therefore, firearms program attorneys have recommended that our Members follow these procedures if they have used a gun.

Make sure the threat has been controlled and remain at the scene. If not, find a safe place and remain there.

Call 911, request police and ambulance – do not say anything other than your name, location, send police and ambulance, and that you have been a victim of a crime. The 911 call is recorded – Say Nothing Else!

Call your firearms program attorneys! Call the emergency hotline number on the back of your Firearms Program Member ID card.

Wait for authorities.

Return your weapon to safe keeping – do not keep it in your hands – you may be mistaken for a bad guy.

Do not disturb the scene or remove physical evidence.

Do not refuse medical treatment.

When police arrive comply with all commands in a neutral non-threatening manner, keeping your hands clear. Until they sort it out, the police do not know the good guys from the bad guys!

Inform the police you have been a victim of a crime and provide your statistical data, such as name, address, telephone, etc. – nothing else! State to the police: “I wish to invoke my right to remain silent and I want my attorney.”

Make no statement to anyone, wait to talk to your attorney. If you just shot someone, you are in no state to answer detailed questions. Silence is likely your best option.

Do not speak to the media.

If asked to accompany law enforcement, comply, but make no statements!

When your lawyer arrives, follow their advice explicitly.

Do not make any jokes or cute remarks. These may be used against you!

Even if you feel you have done nothing wrong, make no statements! Talk to your lawyer first!

There are a lot of sticky situations you can get yourself into. I can post a thread later with all the explanations for when and when to not shoot. I have a really good book that details it without all that official law clutter.

Word Wizard · February 02, 2015, 03:26:56 PM

R o c k e t · February 02, 2015, 03:33:27 PM

Its best to have an attorney around so you don't accidentally contradict yourself.

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Statefarm · February 02, 2015, 05:38:25 PM

Always shoot to kill not wound, correct?

Assassin 11D7 · February 02, 2015, 06:21:29 PM

Quote from: Statefarm on February 02, 2015, 05:38:25 PM

Always shoot to kill not wound, correct?

Correct.

They take it that if you say you didn't intend to kill them, then you did not feel your life was in sufficient danger.

AngryBrute · February 02, 2015, 06:24:10 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2015, 06:21:29 PM

Quote from: Statefarm on February 02, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
Always shoot to kill not wound, correct?
Correct.

They take it that if you say you didn't intend to kill them, then you did not feel your life was in sufficient danger.

In my class, my instructor even said it was better if you didnt give him the chance to battle you in court. So shoot him dead.

Assassin 11D7 · February 02, 2015, 06:28:21 PM

Quote from: AngryBrute on February 02, 2015, 06:24:10 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on February 02, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: Statefarm on February 02, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
Always shoot to kill not wound, correct?
Correct.

They take it that if you say you didn't intend to kill them, then you did not feel your life was in sufficient danger.
In my class, my instructor even said it was better if you didnt give him the chance to battle you in court. So shoot him dead.

I'd bet that works, but saying that would probably get spun around by a lawyer into you murdered him to better your own interests or some junk.

I'm only 18, so I can't take that class for a bit over 2 years right now. Although I remember my parents went and took it for some reason.

Mega Sceptile · February 02, 2015, 08:02:46 PM

100 percent true, keep to this guide and you'll be fine.

CND AAA Beef · February 05, 2015, 09:58:10 AM

Also, have a very good knowledge of the self-defense laws where you live.

Sprungli · February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

DAS B00T x2 · February 05, 2015, 06:45:10 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

Yeah, sure, that'd be all fine and dandy if urban youth and black-on-white crime weren't things.

Forgewolf · February 05, 2015, 07:04:10 PM

Fuck that! If I shoot an armed robber at my house, I am 100% justified. First of all, the robber was not welcomed, he came to break into my house, steal shit and use lethal force to obtain it if necessary.

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

Don't let the general Public know that. It only puts a big, "Hey! I can do whatever I want to this man and he can't fight back" mentality.

CK97 · February 06, 2015, 09:28:40 AM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

Opinion:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

FTFY

Sprungli · February 06, 2015, 02:27:15 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on February 05, 2015, 07:04:10 PM

Fuck that! If I shoot an armed robber at my house, I am 100% justified. First of all, the robber was not welcomed, he came to break into my house, steal shit and use lethal force to obtain it if necessary.

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

Don't let the general Public know that. It only puts a big, "Hey! I can do whatever I want to this man and he can't fight back" mentality.

No, there's this thing called the law, and people that enforce it called the police. It's their job to keep people safe and in line, not some dickwad vigilante with a gun.

The fact you value personal possessions over human life is also silly, last time I checked you can't replace dead people. Not sure your insurance would cover that, but do you know what it does cover? Stolen items.

Plus the fact your scenario is deeply flawed, I presume you are a supporter of Oscar Pistorius and believe he should be allowed to walk free? After all, poor guy thought he was defending himself against a robber.

Guns don't solve anything, you have most nations as evidence of that-and before you mention the Swiss, the attitude they have is totally different to yours. They respect human life and they respect the law, they use their guns for hunting and as a shadowy deterrent. Not a fucking parade piece

Mega Sceptile · February 06, 2015, 03:02:38 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

If I didn't own my gun, I wouldn't be here right now, and my wife would've probably been raped by a douchefuck and his band of faggots with knives and chains, neither me nor my wife were acting stupid, it was the actions of the douchebag who was trying to fuck my wife that got us into a situation where I had to pull it. who the fuck are you to say that I'm stupid and at fault for trying to save the people I love?

Word Wizard · February 06, 2015, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 06, 2015, 03:02:38 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

If I didn't own my gun, I wouldn't be here right now, and my wife would've probably been raped by a douchefuck and his band of faggots with knives and chains, neither me nor my wife were acting stupid, it was the actions of the douchebag who was trying to fuck my wife that got us into a situation where I had to pull it. who the fuck are you to say that I'm stupid and at fault for trying to save the people I love?

You see, if you called the police they would have got there instantly. Also, how was your wife dressed? She probably drew attention to you which is your fault for putting yourself in that situation. If crimes so bad you should just quit your job and move hundreds of miles away to a gated community. Learn a safemartial art or something but don't hurt criminals because the time spent earning money for your belongings and your wifes mental state from being gang raped ain't as important as violent rapists lives.

AngryBrute · February 06, 2015, 05:07:03 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 06, 2015, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 06, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

If I didn't own my gun, I wouldn't be here right now, and my wife would've probably been raped by a douchefuck and his band of faggots with knives and chains, neither me nor my wife were acting stupid, it was the actions of the douchebag who was trying to fuck my wife that got us into a situation where I had to pull it. who the fuck are you to say that I'm stupid and at fault for trying to save the people I love?

You see, if you called the police they would have got there instantly. Also, how was your wife dressed? She probably drew attention to you which is your fault for putting yourself in that situation. If crimes so bad you should just quit your job and move hundreds of miles away to a gated community. Learn a safemartial art or something but don't hurt criminals because the time spent earning money for your belongings and your wifes mental state from being gang raped ain't as important as violent rapists lives.

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Yu · February 06, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 06, 2015, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 06, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

If I didn't own my gun, I wouldn't be here right now, and my wife would've probably been raped by a douchefuck and his band of faggots with knives and chains, neither me nor my wife were acting stupid, it was the actions of the douchebag who was trying to fuck my wife that got us into a situation where I had to pull it. who the fuck are you to say that I'm stupid and at fault for trying to save the people I love?

You see, if you called the police they would have got there instantly. Also, how was your wife dressed? She probably drew attention to you which is your fault for putting yourself in that situation. If crimes so bad you should just quit your job and move hundreds of miles away to a gated community. Learn a safemartial art or something but don't hurt criminals because the time spent earning money for your belongings and your wifes mental state from being gang raped ain't as important as violent rapists lives.

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if you called the police they would have got there instantly

You do realize they'd get there like anywhere from 10-20 mins later, depending on his location right?

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Learn a safemartial art or something but don't hurt criminals

He doesn't have to shoot them, pulling out the gun and firing a shot is enough to scare off just about anyone.

Forgewolf · February 06, 2015, 05:42:19 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on February 06, 2015, 04:06:38 PM

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 06, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

If I didn't own my gun, I wouldn't be here right now, and my wife would've probably been raped by a douchefuck and his band of faggots with knives and chains, neither me nor my wife were acting stupid, it was the actions of the douchebag who was trying to fuck my wife that got us into a situation where I had to pull it. who the fuck are you to say that I'm stupid and at fault for trying to save the people I love?

You see, if you called the police they would have got there instantly.

Holy shit! Police can travel at supersonic levels? I could have sworn An Officer that is 5 miles from my house would take them at least 10 minutes to get here. Enough time for me to be brutally murdered and some of my valuables stolen.. AND enough time to get away.. IF I didn't own a gun.

Word Wizard · February 06, 2015, 06:24:49 PM

Quote from: Yu on February 06, 2015, 05:15:39 PM

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if you called the police they would have got there instantly
You do realize they'd get there like anywhere from 10-20 mins later, depending on his location right?

Well maybe Obama SHOULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH HIS EXECTUTIVE ORDERS, AND HIRE MORE POLICE TO INCREASE RESPONCE TIME. Sheesh.

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Learn a safe martial art or something but don't hurt criminals

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He doesn't have to shoot them, pulling out the gun and firing a shot is enough to scare off just about anyone.

Into an innocent bystander!?

DAS B00T x2 · February 06, 2015, 06:33:11 PM

>two people took Sly's post seriously

Fuckin lol

Word Wizard · February 06, 2015, 07:23:59 PM

Quote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 06, 2015, 06:33:11 PM

>two people took Sly's post seriously

Fuckin lol

I don't know if I coulda been any more sarcastic.

PSU · February 06, 2015, 08:03:26 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM

True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

Terrible stance

The Waifu Master · February 06, 2015, 08:07:42 PM

Quote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 06, 2015, 06:33:11 PM

>two people took Sly's post seriously

Fuckin lol

Forgewolf · February 06, 2015, 10:19:18 PM

If you are not serious in the Serious forum.. you are doing it wrong?

Mega Sceptile · February 06, 2015, 11:19:22 PM

Quote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 06, 2015, 06:33:11 PM

>two people took Sly's post seriously

Fuckin lol

if they actually read the last line, they would've seen. it's pretty fucking obvious.

Forgewolf · February 07, 2015, 06:38:58 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on February 06, 2015, 02:27:15 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on February 05, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
Fuck that! If I shoot an armed robber at my house, I am 100% justified. First of all, the robber was not welcomed, he came to break into my house, steal shit and use lethal force to obtain it if necessary.

Quote from: Sprungli on February 05, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
True fact:
You never truly need a gun as a civilian

I have a clear stance on firearms, and that is that they are totally unneeded outside of a warzone. If you are stupid enough to get into a situation you think you need one then that's on you, no-one deserves a round for your mistake.

Don't let the general Public know that. It only puts a big, "Hey! I can do whatever I want to this man and he can't fight back" mentality.
No, there's this thing called the law, and people that enforce it called the police. It's their job to keep people safe and in line, not some dickwad vigilante with a gun.

The fact you value personal possessions over human life is also silly, last time I checked you can't replace dead people. Not sure your insurance would cover that, but do you know what it does cover? Stolen items.

Plus the fact your scenario is deeply flawed, I presume you are a supporter of Oscar Pistorius and believe he should be allowed to walk free? After all, poor guy thought he was defending himself against a robber.

Guns don't solve anything, you have most nations as evidence of that-and before you mention the Swiss, the attitude they have is totally different to yours. They respect human life and they respect the law, they use their guns for hunting and as a shadowy deterrent. Not a fucking parade piece

Innocent human life is precious, yes. However, those who go out of their way to commit evil deeds, deserve what comes to them when their potential victim retaliates.

The law, the police can not stop someone from murdering me within seconds.. It only takes SECONDS to murder someone.. especially if they are unarmed or completely caught off guard. So I have the right, to the option to defend myself or others when help is too far away.

Oscar Pistorius, lol. His case smelled of lies. Let's shoot through a bathroom door -_-. I feel his intention was to kill his lady and then claim it was self-defense. That or something is mentally wrong with him, thus he should not have been in possession of a firearm at all. Any real gun owner would get a visual before firing, you don't shoot blindly through a fucking door. Unless you're a Dumbocrat that listens to Joe Biden.

Back onto the Police topic.. Why does a Officer need a gun? What makes him/her so special, so divine that its okay for them possess a firearm, but no one else can? When all the power is given to the few, do you think that will make the world a better place?

Korra · February 07, 2015, 11:45:43 PM

So...aim for the head instead of the kneecaps?

Got it.

Forgewolf · February 07, 2015, 11:53:41 PM

Quote from: Jill Valentine on February 07, 2015, 11:45:43 PM

So...aim for the head instead of the kneecaps?

Got it.

Center mass(Torso) actually. Aiming for the head could make you appear to be an assassin or someone with malice intentions. You're suppose to shoot to incapacitate or end a dangerous/lethal threat. If they die because of it, its not your fault. But going up and shooting even the criminal in the face could put you in a bad spot light. Or so I've been told.