Well, scripture never describes God as specifically omnipotent; I think it would be hard for people back then to think in those terms. He's described as all-powerful, almighty, and having power over all things, but is simultaneously said to be unable/unwilling to do certain things. So, I'd take it with a grain of salt.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 04, 2015, 09:18:03 AMQuote from: Classic Mordo on February 04, 2015, 08:37:13 AMITT: Semantics warsSemantics aren't necessarily pointless. There's a lot of value in determining the actual position other people take in a discussion, and topics of logic are by definition topics of semantics.The definition of omnipotence isn't really subjective though, is it?
Quote from: Classic Mordo on February 04, 2015, 08:37:13 AMITT: Semantics warsSemantics aren't necessarily pointless. There's a lot of value in determining the actual position other people take in a discussion, and topics of logic are by definition topics of semantics.
ITT: Semantics wars
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 04, 2015, 10:09:43 AMWell, scripture never describes God as specifically omnipotent; I think it would be hard for people back then to think in those terms. He's described as all-powerful, almighty, and having power over all things, but is simultaneously said to be unable/unwilling to do certain things. So, I'd take it with a grain of salt.If people's conceptions of omnipotence in such times are subject to criticism and revision now, I see no justification for taking anything else without a grain of salt--up to and including the existence of a creator deity.That isn't to say you specifically don't behave sceptically, you do, but I find it hard to believe that God couldn't communicate his omnipotence in sucj a way as to make sense in the very literature which is supposed to have the highly significant property of illuminating the path of 'salvation'.
So why doesn't he just show up and prove it?
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 04, 2015, 11:30:01 AMSo why doesn't he just show up and prove it?I actually don't have problem with that. The question is why God allowed so poor a formulation of his nature in scripture, when it is vital--if not essential--for salvation.
A regular response to these problems is to say that the Bible is a repository of timeless truth. There are some senses in which that is true. But the sense in which it is normally meant is certainly not true. The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is culturally conditioned. It is all written in the language of particular times, and evokes the cultures in which it came to birth. It seems, when we get close up to it, as though, if we grant for a moment that in some sense or other God has indeed inspired this book, he has not wanted to give us an abstract set of truths unrelated to space and time. He has wanted to give us something rather different, which is not (in our post-enlightenment world) nearly so easy to handle as such a set of truths might seem to be. The problem of the gospels is one particular instance of this question. And at this point in the argument evangelicals often lurch towards Romans as a sort of safe place where they can find a basic systematic theology in the light of which one can read everything else. I have often been assured by evangelical colleagues in theological disciplines other than my own that my perception is indeed true: namely, that the Protestant and evangelical tradition has not been half so good on the gospels as it has been on the epistles. We donβt quite know what to do with them. Because, I think, we have come to them as we have come to the whole Bible, looking for particular answers to particular questions. And we have thereby made the Bible into something which it basically is not.http://ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Bible_Authoritative.htm
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 06:09:10 PMQuote from: Jill Valentine on February 03, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThe universe is omnipotent, in fact.False. Omnipotence necessitates agency.The universe could throw a black hole at us for shits and giggles.
Quote from: Jill Valentine on February 03, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThe universe is omnipotent, in fact.False. Omnipotence necessitates agency.
The universe is omnipotent, in fact.