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Quote from: I slam Islam on December 06, 2015, 06:33:56 AM

Take it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun.

Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armed

Things change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.

My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.

Are you trained on how to use one?

I've used guns before, but I haven't taken the class to get my concealed carry permit

It doesn't matter how many classes you take, it never prepares you for the real thing.

I'm sure everyone knows that

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I can definitely agree with stopping the ban on gun violence research, although haven't you been posting research facts about it, how does that work out?

There's no general ban on gun violence research, it's just certain institutions and organizations that are banned or strongly discouraged from doing so. Independent researchers, academics, universities, institutions and so on have been entirely free to study these things, which is what I usually cite. Basically, what happened in the early 90's is this. The CDC reseached gun violence, its causes and its effects on society. It found what is now pretty common knowledge and illustrated by tons of other research, being that gun ownership increases the rates of homicides and gun violence, and that easy access to guns contributes to these factors. The NRA, however, did not like this and lobbied so much that Congress ended up banning the CDC from doing any more research. How this is even possible blows my mind. That pro gun groups are so afraid of what an actually independent and objective organization with a lot of resources and access to information will find on the usage of guns that they've literally managed to get your own federal and official public health service from researching something that claims over 30,000 lives a year. Here's a quick graph of what your National Institutes of Health have been doing with their time over the past 40 years because they would lose funding if they actually looked into gun violence more.

Thanks for the response, I never heard about this before.

It found what is now pretty common knowledge and illustrated by tons of other research, being that gun ownership increases the rates of homicides and gun violence, and that easy access to guns contributes to these factors.

What do you think about the argument that this only relates to violent crimes committed with guns, that if you were to eliminate guns from the equation violent crime rates would still be the same or higher? I have to admit, it doesn't really sound like it makes sense that people would just stop being criminals if they didn't have guns.

Quote from: Kernel Kraut on December 05, 2015, 09:38:11 PM

Again, I don't care. I will not give up liberty for safety. People who want more restrictions can blow me.

I don't even know why you care so much about US internal politics.

Well, unfortunately it doesn't really matter whether you care or not. This is no different than the thousands of extremely conservative Americans who thought and still think that gay marriage is a horrible thing that should never have become a reality. Despite all of their resistance, public protests and vocalization of their opinion, it still happened. The same thing is going on with gun control too. It's a slow and gradual process, but it's happening.

And the reason I care is purely out of academic interest. I wrote a Bachelor's thesis on criminal justice and gun control in the developed world and now have a Master's in criminal law. From an academic point of view, the US is a very peculiar and rather ancient anomaly in the Western world when it comes to its attitude towards firearms. This just interests me, that is all.

I am entirely willing to bet that you are looking at national data, and not state data. While the United States is one nation, we really are more of a collection of nation states that fall under one banner. Internal state politics vary drastically and so do demographics.

While the Uniform Crime Reporting is very helpful to gauge national instances of violence, it's not very helpful in dealing with said violence. We need to break it down even farther to truly get an idea of what the problem is and where it lies. Look at reporting by state and then compare against the other 50 states. (This would actually be a good GIS project, but I am entirely to lazy to do it right now.) Now the data we are going to be interested here is the violent crime per 100k people. This will give us a very good representation of just where each state lies.

What you'll find is that states that border, well, the Southern Border tend to have higher rates of violent crime than say, East Bumblefuck Iowa. This is a given, after all there is a drug war on the Southern border, and there is a lot of spill over. But you'll also noticed that states with the Major Cites such as Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, etc... tend to have a higher rate of violent crime.

Now we'd break it down by county to isolate the county that is causing the most violence in a state. Once we isolate the county we can look at regions. Break it down by census tracts, and now we can see where the violence really stems from.

Now, the curious case of Maine. Maine is one of the safest states in the Union. Poverty is low, and unemployment is low. Maine also rates as an F according the Brady Center, one of the major Gun-control lobbying groups. Maine is incredibly pro-gun. Yet, gun crime remains low. It's truly mind-boggling (to people who aren't reasonably intelligent individuals.) The reason? Because there's low poverty!

I believe in you, do the research past just looking at national rates of gun violence. It really doesn't tell you anything. You really have to dig deeper than just the surface to really get an idea of what's going on.

Hey guys, remember when Flee's ideas got bfto'd by them open carrying hicks?
Good times.

Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 07, 2015, 06:38:22 AM

Hey guys, remember when Flee's ideas got bfto'd by them open carrying hicks?
Good times.

What?

Flee Talks Law pt 2: Gun Control

Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 07, 2015, 07:12:39 AM

Quote from: I slam Islam on December 07, 2015, 07:08:32 AM

Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 07, 2015, 06:38:22 AM

Hey guys, remember when Flee's ideas got bfto'd by them open carrying hicks?
Good times.

What?

Flee Talks Law pt 2: Gun Control

I don't remember this

It was a grand ol' time... or so I hear. I missed out on the fun because that when when I got banned for DONG NOTHING WRONG.

"A mass murderer used these - that means we don't need to ban them"

Dohoho - what?

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Quote from: Cindo on December 07, 2015, 08:22:31 AM

"A mass murderer used these - that means we don't need to ban them"

Dohoho - what?

Do you know how many office workers I can kill or hospitalize with a few cans of commonplace hydraulic fluid and a pressure washer?
God forbid I get my hands on some 5606 and a super soaker. Y'all gonna be fucked then.

*gets up and calls NSA*

*slams door behind him*

Bro, I'm like, on three different watch lists already.

people who think that the magazine size wouldn't make a difference are pretty dump

Quote from: DisturbedMind883 on December 07, 2015, 05:50:04 PM

people who think that the magazine size wouldn't make a difference are pretty dump

Nice job

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Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 05, 2015, 02:54:57 PM

I honestly doubt the body count would be lower if they had to reload every ten rounds, so it's really a pointless fact to bring up.

For the AK even with a ten round mag you can simply tape two mags together and there are people that can speed reload like this guy. Not only did he reload it but he also pulled the hammer back as well in three seconds.

YouTube

Wow he's slow.

Also, lol at shitty Russian Kalashs not automatically locking the bolt to the rear when your mag is empty like superior American Stoner AR rifles.

OK Mr I'm A Better Shot Than Oswald what's your fastest speed reload?