Quote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 09:01:13 AMThe arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.Underdeveloped in what sense?
The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.
Quote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 09:59:05 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 09:01:13 AMThe arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.Underdeveloped in what sense?Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.Whose arguments, exactly? Are you saying all of us are making terrible arguments that are underdeveloped and don't stand up to scrutiny?
Quote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 09:59:05 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 09:01:13 AMThe arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.Underdeveloped in what sense?Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.
Quote from: Essessen on December 05, 2015, 09:07:41 PMQuote from: Flee on December 05, 2015, 07:35:12 PMI also never compared the US to my own country, nor have I ever advocated a direct implementation of a European style gun control system in the US. No one in the right mind would think that it'd work. So, what would you suggest for the US?Tough question. I don't think anyone really knows, simply due to the fact that the US has such a unique gun culture. Additionally, its size, amount of states, cultural differences and issues with gangs are all things to be considered too. Gun control is not a final solution on its own, but it's an absolutely necessary part of it.The biggest obstacle to progress here is public opinion. Not only are there millions of gun owners reluctant to accept any measures they perceive to be a threat, but the American gun lobby is very real and powerful. A great illustration of this is how the NRA convinced your Congress to outright forbid any sort of research done by the CDC on gun violence simply because they're afraid of what it might find. Talking about just gun control (and not the other socioeconomic measures that can be taken), the first step is educating people on firearm regulations. People need to know about the benefits that it brings and that it's possible to reconcile using firearms with stricter gun control. Simultaneously, there needs to be a growing, gradual and continuous push for more stringent gun control measures. Small steps are necessary until the public opinion changes.
Quote from: Flee on December 05, 2015, 07:35:12 PMI also never compared the US to my own country, nor have I ever advocated a direct implementation of a European style gun control system in the US. No one in the right mind would think that it'd work. So, what would you suggest for the US?
I also never compared the US to my own country, nor have I ever advocated a direct implementation of a European style gun control system in the US. No one in the right mind would think that it'd work.
Quote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 11:02:35 AMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 10:14:49 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 09:59:05 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 09:01:13 AMThe arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.Underdeveloped in what sense?Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.Whose arguments, exactly? Are you saying all of us are making terrible arguments that are underdeveloped and don't stand up to scrutiny?You make it sound bad, but so far, it really seems that way. Even my arguments woud get torn up with replies that I don't know how to answer. That's why I like this site. So much angst.If you'd look up, you'd see that I picked apart your entire post earlier on. Would you care to actually respond to that? Because from my point of view, it seems like you just really don't have many points to make. I definitely don't claim to know it all, but I have spent a significant amount of time researching this for my thesis. I have a Master's degree in criminal law and have discussed this topic with professors, criminologists and criminal justice experts from around the world. I've had countless of debates both on here, in real life proper debate settings and on forums dedicated to politics. As such, I like to think that I have a pretty decent understanding of this issue. Your whole attitude of ignoring people addressing your very flawed post and dismissing responses as just angsty and terrible arguments that smarter people elsewhere on the internet would absolutely tear apart while providing absolutely no arguments yourself appears to be nothing but a pretty bad attempt at covering up the fact you don't know how to answer the comments made in your own thread.I hope that I'm wrong and that you've actually got an insightful, reasoned and researched contribution to make, but this whole "I'm not even going to dignify your comments with a response because they're sooo angsty and stupid that anyone on a smarter forum would absolutely destroy them without effort" isn't working for me.
Quote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 10:14:49 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 09:59:05 AMQuote from: Chakas on December 06, 2015, 09:01:13 AMThe arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.Underdeveloped in what sense?Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.Whose arguments, exactly? Are you saying all of us are making terrible arguments that are underdeveloped and don't stand up to scrutiny?You make it sound bad, but so far, it really seems that way. Even my arguments woud get torn up with replies that I don't know how to answer. That's why I like this site. So much angst.
Quote from: Chakas on December 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AMQuote from: NiggerBot 9000 on December 05, 2015, 11:22:40 AMIt's a joke. Liberals really think "gun free zones" will do something, and yet with some of the tightest gun restrictions in the country, these guys still shot up a place with modified weapons.Liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothing proves it more than this.That last comment of yours makes me wonder if you are being sarcastic or not.I'm not. "Gun free zones" and weapon restrictions are fucking retarded
Quote from: NiggerBot 9000 on December 05, 2015, 11:22:40 AMIt's a joke. Liberals really think "gun free zones" will do something, and yet with some of the tightest gun restrictions in the country, these guys still shot up a place with modified weapons.Liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothing proves it more than this.That last comment of yours makes me wonder if you are being sarcastic or not.
It's a joke. Liberals really think "gun free zones" will do something, and yet with some of the tightest gun restrictions in the country, these guys still shot up a place with modified weapons.Liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothing proves it more than this.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 01:37:50 PMThroughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.Ugh, Deci. And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.
Throughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 02:05:54 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 01:37:50 PMThroughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.Ugh, Deci. And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.If both common sense and mountains of research, data and evidence can't even make you rethink the statement that everyone supporting gun laws is an idiot then yeah, it does seem like there's no point in even trying to have an actual discussion on this topic.
Quote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 02:05:54 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 01:37:50 PMThroughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.Ugh, Deci. And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.
Quote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 03:00:25 PMToo bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.If that's what you want to think, then so be it.
Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.
Quote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 03:50:43 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 03:00:25 PMToo bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.If that's what you want to think, then so be it.It's over. It's been over for awhile actually.
Quote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 02:50:29 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 02:08:48 PMQuote from: Flee on December 06, 2015, 02:05:54 PMQuote from: Decimator Omega on December 06, 2015, 01:37:50 PMThroughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.Ugh, Deci. And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.If both common sense and mountains of research, data and evidence can't even make you rethink the statement that everyone supporting gun laws is an idiot then yeah, it does seem like there's no point in even trying to have an actual discussion on this topic.There is no point in even talking to you anymore. You've gone irrational.You WERE my friend. This and several other reasons is why we can no longer remain friends.Your logic on firearms is flawed, your logic on what the US should do is most especially flawed. You don't know what it's like here. You haven't visited all 50 states let alone lived in one for years.If you still seriously think banishment of all firearms that have been legally bought by rational people is going to end gun violence and stop mass shootings, then you really don't know what you're talking about at all.Slightly off-topic, video games these days use actual gun sounds in terms of sound design. Halo 2A actually has the sound effects of one of the developer's personal shotgun that he brought to work for recording it. Go watch the documentary if you think I'm full of it.Bottom line is, you still fail to realize that gun control isn't going to fix this, it is in fact going to get even worse with each mass shooting. Casualties will rise.Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH THIS FUCKING THREADdeci you're too funny man. you could star in an irl "the office"
Take it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun. Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armed
Quote from: I slam Islam on December 06, 2015, 06:33:56 AMTake it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun. Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armedThings change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.
Quote from: Jolly Rocket on December 06, 2015, 06:45:11 PMQuote from: I slam Islam on December 06, 2015, 06:33:56 AMTake it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun. Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armedThings change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.Are you trained on how to use one?
The San Bernadino shooters used 30 round magazines.
