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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.


 
 
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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.
Underdeveloped in what sense?
Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.


 
 
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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.
Underdeveloped in what sense?
Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.
Whose arguments, exactly? Are you saying all of us are making terrible arguments that are underdeveloped and don't stand up to scrutiny?
You make it sound bad, but so far, it really seems that way. Even my arguments woud get torn up with replies that I don't know how to answer. That's why I like this site. So much angst.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I also never compared the US to my own country, nor have I ever advocated a direct implementation of a European style gun control system in the US. No one in the right mind would think that it'd work.
So, what would you suggest for the US?
Tough question. I don't think anyone really knows, simply due to the fact that the US has such a unique gun culture. Additionally, its size, amount of states, cultural differences and issues with gangs are all things to be considered too. Gun control is not a final solution on its own, but it's an absolutely necessary part of it.

The biggest obstacle to progress here is public opinion. Not only are there millions of gun owners reluctant to accept any measures they perceive to be a threat, but the American gun lobby is very real and powerful. A great illustration of this is how the NRA convinced your Congress to outright forbid any sort of research done by the CDC on gun violence simply because they're afraid of what it might find.

Talking about just gun control (and not the other socioeconomic measures that can be taken), the first step is educating people on firearm regulations. People need to know about the benefits that it brings and that it's possible to reconcile using firearms with stricter gun control. Simultaneously, there needs to be a growing, gradual and continuous push for more stringent gun control measures. Small steps are necessary until the public opinion changes.
Public opinion in the US is a finicky thing, because it seems that things always end up in a black and white format(ex. Women should be able to decide what to do with their bodies vs. You're committing infanticide you fucking monster). Conversely to the millions of gun owners and rural folk, you've got city folk and stringent anti-gun lobbies, which plenty of the time either don't understand the thing they're condemning or are lying for their own gain. IIRC, the "ghost gun" senator in California was involved with shipping in firearms illegally into the US. Neither side is prettier than the other.

I can definitely agree with stopping the ban on gun violence research, although haven't you been posting research facts about it, how does that work out?

You aren't mentioning anything about informing about guns, the uses for them, and their context in the law(Which by looking at some of the responses in this thread, some people might need to be made aware that a need for something is not required to have it in US law). These seem equally important as informing about gun control if you want a critically thinking and aware populous.


 
 
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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.
Underdeveloped in what sense?
Anywhere else on the internet, they'd get torn apart.
Whose arguments, exactly? Are you saying all of us are making terrible arguments that are underdeveloped and don't stand up to scrutiny?
You make it sound bad, but so far, it really seems that way. Even my arguments woud get torn up with replies that I don't know how to answer. That's why I like this site. So much angst.
If you'd look up, you'd see that I picked apart your entire post earlier on. Would you care to actually respond to that?

Because from my point of view, it seems like you just really don't have many points to make. I definitely don't claim to know it all, but I have spent a significant amount of time researching this for my thesis. I have a Master's degree in criminal law and have discussed this topic with professors, criminologists and criminal justice experts from around the world. I've had countless of debates both on here, in real life proper debate settings and on forums dedicated to politics. As such, I like to think that I have a pretty decent understanding of this issue. Your whole attitude of ignoring people addressing your very flawed post and dismissing responses as just angsty and terrible arguments that smarter people elsewhere on the internet would absolutely tear apart while providing absolutely no arguments yourself appears to be nothing but a pretty bad attempt at covering up the fact you don't know how to answer the comments made in your own thread.

I hope that I'm wrong and that you've actually got an insightful, reasoned and researched contribution to make, but this whole "I'm not even going to dignify your comments with a response because they're sooo angsty and stupid that anyone on a smarter forum would absolutely destroy them without effort" isn't working for me.
Everything you said right now made sense, but it is not why I didn't respond. I didn't respond because I didn't want to. After I made this thread I regereted it because I realized I didn't want to get into a shit-ton of arguments. I have enough stress in my life. I don't need this. I'm sure there are others that would come up with better replies to all the arguments in this thread anyway. Im 49. I need to do something more productive than argue on a forum.


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It's a joke. Liberals really think "gun free zones" will do something, and yet with some of the tightest gun restrictions in the country, these guys still shot up a place with modified weapons.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. Nothing proves it more than this.
That last comment of yours makes me wonder if you are being sarcastic or not.

I'm not. "Gun free zones" and weapon restrictions are fucking retarded

Agreed. It's like painting a fucking target on your back, and criminals never get their guns legally. They either get them from a black or flea market or they steal them.


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The arguments on this forum are so underdeveloped. No wonder I don't see any threads like this.

Yep. The snowball effect. You have both sides of people here, the people that think gun control is retarded and the people that think gun control is working or will work.

Both sides see each other as idiots. Throughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.

Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.


 
 
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Throughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.

Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Ugh, Deci.

And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.

Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.


 
 
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Throughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.

Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Ugh, Deci.

And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.

Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.
If both common sense and mountains of research, data and evidence can't even make you rethink the statement that everyone supporting gun laws is an idiot then yeah, it does seem like there's no point in even trying to have an actual discussion on this topic.

There is no point in even talking to you anymore. You've gone irrational.

You WERE my friend. This and several other reasons is why we can no longer remain friends.

Your logic on firearms is flawed, your logic on what the US should do is most especially flawed. You don't know what it's like here. You haven't visited all 50 states let alone lived in one for years.

If you still seriously think banishment of all firearms that have been legally bought by rational people is going to end gun violence and stop mass shootings, then you really don't know what you're talking about at all.

Slightly off-topic, video games these days use actual gun sounds in terms of sound design. Halo 2A actually has the sound effects of one of the developer's personal shotgun that he brought to work for recording it. Go watch the documentary if you think I'm full of it.

Bottom line is, you still fail to realize that gun control isn't going to fix this, it is in fact going to get even worse with each mass shooting. Casualties will rise.

Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.


 
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Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.
If that's what you want to think, then so be it.

It's over. It's been over for awhile actually.


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Lol at people not wanting gun control. Enjoy your mass shootings every week. Don't forget to keep the victims in your prayers.
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I neither fear, nor despise.
Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.
If that's what you want to think, then so be it.

It's over. It's been over for awhile actually.

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Throughout the years I have found myself going against gun control a lot more than ever, because it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't solve the problem.

Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
Ugh, Deci.

And I'm getting back to you in a bit, Assassin. Currently on mobile so I'm not going to write down any lengthy replies now.

Don't even bother. You'll only be wasting your time.
If both common sense and mountains of research, data and evidence can't even make you rethink the statement that everyone supporting gun laws is an idiot then yeah, it does seem like there's no point in even trying to have an actual discussion on this topic.

There is no point in even talking to you anymore. You've gone irrational.

You WERE my friend. This and several other reasons is why we can no longer remain friends.

Your logic on firearms is flawed, your logic on what the US should do is most especially flawed. You don't know what it's like here. You haven't visited all 50 states let alone lived in one for years.

If you still seriously think banishment of all firearms that have been legally bought by rational people is going to end gun violence and stop mass shootings, then you really don't know what you're talking about at all.

Slightly off-topic, video games these days use actual gun sounds in terms of sound design. Halo 2A actually has the sound effects of one of the developer's personal shotgun that he brought to work for recording it. Go watch the documentary if you think I'm full of it.

Bottom line is, you still fail to realize that gun control isn't going to fix this, it is in fact going to get even worse with each mass shooting. Casualties will rise.

Too bad you don't get it, and you never will fucking get it. That's how dense you are and that's how dense you've become.

If you're seriously going to abandon someone as a friend over a differing political view then there's something wrong with you.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH THIS FUCKING THREAD

deci you're too funny man. you could star in an irl "the office"


 
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH THIS FUCKING THREAD

deci you're too funny man. you could star in an irl "the office"

> Not picking the superior Parks and Rec


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I neither fear, nor despise.
Take it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun.

Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armed

Things change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.

My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.


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Take it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun.

Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armed

Things change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.

My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.
Are you trained on how to use one?


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I neither fear, nor despise.
Take it from somebody who's carried a gun and needed it, and who had a parent who feared for his life and carried a gun.

Apart from those scenarios, I've never felt so unsafe, as if I was in a warzone, that I felt I needed to be armed

Things change and you never know when you'll suddenly need one. I'd like to be prepared if I'm randomly selected to be somebody's victim of theft.

My city doesn't have much violence usually, then suddenly we had I think 20 dead people from shootings in a week.
Are you trained on how to use one?

I've used guns before, but I haven't taken the class to get my concealed carry permit