For me, this has been something that I've had a great deal of trouble with since becoming an atheist.Non-existence after death to me nullifies the point of doing anything. At least when I was still religious, I could coerce myself to adhering to set behaviors due to the benefit of a heaven.
A great deal of the time, I'll hear other atheists say that since this is the one shot you get, you need to make it worthwhile; that because there is no objective worth in life, you have to find your own subjective meaning. I just can't see it from that perspective. The way I see it, because in the grand scheme of things, you have so little impact that anything you do is nothing more than a waste.
Yes, I do realize I am having an existential crisis, but it's been one that has been ongoing for over 3 years now. So, for those others who believe that the only thing we have to look forward to after death is worms eating our corpse, are you stuck within a similar mindset or do you believe in making your own meaning?
Sorry, I can't really relate. Death just doesn't scare me. It's like an off-switch to me. Nothing matters when you're dead because you're no longer extant to experience or comprehend it.
@Everyone who replied: This isn't a topic a short message rebuttal does justice to. Trying to condense this just makes you inherently come off as overly hedonistic or an absolute nihilist. That's just mathematically how a deductive post can be set up [statement -> contained premises -> restatement]. I shy away from this kind of stuff aside from dedicated philosophy forums for that very reason... "short" arguments against nihilism are always inherently unconvincing it seems. And, well, it brings up the topic of religion which is never fun to talk about online tl;dr: Much of your arguments won't be convincing to any person fascinated with the concept of nonexistence. Just sayin' right now, I've seen too many people get pissed off by this discussion.OT: If you really want to fight nihilism, you should read some more Camus XD
Quote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 12:05:23 PM@Everyone who replied: This isn't a topic a short message rebuttal does justice to. Trying to condense this just makes you inherently come off as overly hedonistic or an absolute nihilist. That's just mathematically how a deductive post can be set up [statement -> contained premises -> restatement]. I shy away from this kind of stuff aside from dedicated philosophy forums for that very reason... "short" arguments against nihilism are always inherently unconvincing it seems. And, well, it brings up the topic of religion which is never fun to talk about online tl;dr: Much of your arguments won't be convincing to any person fascinated with the concept of nonexistence. Just sayin' right now, I've seen too many people get pissed off by this discussion.OT: If you really want to fight nihilism, you should read some more Camus XDCamus kept me from offing myself a while back.
Quote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 12:05:23 PM@Everyone who replied: This isn't a topic a short message rebuttal does justice to. Trying to condense this just makes you inherently come off as overly hedonistic or an absolute nihilist. That's just mathematically how a deductive post can be set up [statement -> contained premises -> restatement]. I shy away from this kind of stuff aside from dedicated philosophy forums for that very reason... "short" arguments against nihilism are always inherently unconvincing it seems. And, well, it brings up the topic of religion which is never fun to talk about online tl;dr: Much of your arguments won't be convincing to any person fascinated with the concept of nonexistence. Just sayin' right now, I've seen too many people get pissed off by this discussion.OT: If you really want to fight nihilism, you should read some more Camus XDunderstood, it's a hard concept to articulate as it is. Trying to do so over a forum doesn't exactly help matters.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on December 03, 2014, 01:10:36 PMQuote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 12:05:23 PM@Everyone who replied: This isn't a topic a short message rebuttal does justice to. Trying to condense this just makes you inherently come off as overly hedonistic or an absolute nihilist. That's just mathematically how a deductive post can be set up [statement -> contained premises -> restatement]. I shy away from this kind of stuff aside from dedicated philosophy forums for that very reason... "short" arguments against nihilism are always inherently unconvincing it seems. And, well, it brings up the topic of religion which is never fun to talk about online tl;dr: Much of your arguments won't be convincing to any person fascinated with the concept of nonexistence. Just sayin' right now, I've seen too many people get pissed off by this discussion.OT: If you really want to fight nihilism, you should read some more Camus XDunderstood, it's a hard concept to articulate as it is. Trying to do so over a forum doesn't exactly help matters.omg, just to be clear: I didn't mean to insinuate that your arguments were bad, invalid, or unsound, just that most of the time the other party probably won't be convinced! Or do I sound like more of a jerk nowsldkjfignore me
Man, there are some depressing answers in here. I can't really help since I believe in a life after death, but this makes me feel kinda glad about that lol. This thread makes me depressed jeez u gais
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 03, 2014, 02:38:24 PMMan, there are some depressing answers in here. I can't really help since I believe in a life after death, but this makes me feel kinda glad about that lol. This thread makes me depressed jeez u gaisIgnorance is bliss and all that jazz.
The concept of non-existence
