The bill many know as the "campus carry" law is scheduled to go into effect August 1, 2016, the 50-year anniversary of the UT Tower sniper shooting, one of the first mass murders on a college campus in America.
How the fuck does concealed carry stymie discussion? The point of it is you don't know they have it.
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 02:58:50 AMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 02:51:10 AMHow the fuck does concealed carry stymie discussion? The point of it is you don't know they have it.That's sort of the point. You don't know who's going to have a gun, but you know that somebody will.Congratulations, you've just explained how concealed carry discourages assault in a setting where it is popular.How this discourages discussion I don't see. It's a campus- too few people even believe gun ownership should be allowed for carry to be a common thing.No heated discussion in a classroom is going to lead to violence. The suggestion that concealed carry somehow leads to some kind of universal intimidation and silencing is silly as hell. It takes some serious straw-grasping to get there.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 02:51:10 AMHow the fuck does concealed carry stymie discussion? The point of it is you don't know they have it.That's sort of the point. You don't know who's going to have a gun, but you know that somebody will.
Carrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.
Yeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.
Quote from: Flee on October 10, 2015, 07:00:22 AMYeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.OH GODSOME PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS MIGHT HAVE G-GUNSOH GOD I'M SO TRIGGERED THIS IS HINDERING ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS-STOP OPPRESSING ME SHITLORD
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 10:24:38 AMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 09:54:04 AMQuote from: Flee on October 10, 2015, 07:00:22 AMYeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.OH GODSOME PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS MIGHT HAVE G-GUNSOH GOD I'M SO TRIGGERED THIS IS HINDERING ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS-STOP OPPRESSING ME SHITLORDHe does have a point. I wouldn't say disturbing. But I know if it were me I wouldn't exactly feel in pleasant company in the presence of somebody with a gun. And you've got several people here who've said basically the same thing. Knowing you, you'd probably argue that because it's concealed carry, I wouldn't know.At which point that's honestly less of a comfort because I would know that somebody was carrying one around. Just not who.And I notice that after a few rounds of comments from other people you've done absolutely nothing to comment on the fact that maybe it is a bit of a concern that they'd allow more people to wander around with concealed weapons.Because it is a concern. Mainly because you can't fucking trust people for shit. Period.Concealed carries are not a threat to you. Like at all.The point of concealed carry is personal defence and only personal defense. Carry pistols are small pieces that do not have large magazines and shoot small-caliber bullets. Completely inoptimal for extended violence.Concealed carriers have to undergo a background check and are subject to prosecution if they have a fuck up.It's the guy who walks in with his gun in plain sight you need to worry about.Also "muh feels" is not a legitimate reason to restrict carry.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 09:54:04 AMQuote from: Flee on October 10, 2015, 07:00:22 AMYeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.OH GODSOME PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS MIGHT HAVE G-GUNSOH GOD I'M SO TRIGGERED THIS IS HINDERING ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS-STOP OPPRESSING ME SHITLORDHe does have a point. I wouldn't say disturbing. But I know if it were me I wouldn't exactly feel in pleasant company in the presence of somebody with a gun. And you've got several people here who've said basically the same thing. Knowing you, you'd probably argue that because it's concealed carry, I wouldn't know.At which point that's honestly less of a comfort because I would know that somebody was carrying one around. Just not who.And I notice that after a few rounds of comments from other people you've done absolutely nothing to comment on the fact that maybe it is a bit of a concern that they'd allow more people to wander around with concealed weapons.Because it is a concern. Mainly because you can't fucking trust people for shit. Period.
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 10:48:08 AMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 10:39:32 AMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 10:24:38 AMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 09:54:04 AMQuote from: Flee on October 10, 2015, 07:00:22 AMYeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.OH GODSOME PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS MIGHT HAVE G-GUNSOH GOD I'M SO TRIGGERED THIS IS HINDERING ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS-STOP OPPRESSING ME SHITLORDHe does have a point. I wouldn't say disturbing. But I know if it were me I wouldn't exactly feel in pleasant company in the presence of somebody with a gun. And you've got several people here who've said basically the same thing. Knowing you, you'd probably argue that because it's concealed carry, I wouldn't know.At which point that's honestly less of a comfort because I would know that somebody was carrying one around. Just not who.And I notice that after a few rounds of comments from other people you've done absolutely nothing to comment on the fact that maybe it is a bit of a concern that they'd allow more people to wander around with concealed weapons.Because it is a concern. Mainly because you can't fucking trust people for shit. Period.Concealed carries are not a threat to you. Like at all.The point of concealed carry is personal defence and only personal defense. Carry pistols are small pieces that do not have large magazines and shoot small-caliber bullets. Completely inoptimal for extended violence.Concealed carriers have to undergo a background check and are subject to prosecution if they have a fuck up.It's the guy who walks in with his gun in plain sight you need to worry about.Also "muh feels" is not a legitimate reason to restrict carry.And you really think that if some guy is having a bad day or he's in a heat of the moment type situation that he's going to give a shit about background checks and prosecution?Yes. Because it's been demonstrated statistically.QuoteIt doesn't matter if it's a small capacity weapon. It's still a weapon and it can be used to kill somebody, easily. Disregarding it just because it's not capable of mass violence doesn't negate its potential danger.A small car has far more capacity to inflict violence than a carry piece.QuoteAnd if you want to drag "muh feels" into this, then let's talk about how "muh feels" is literally the basis of this new law. Somebody in parlament is getting a little spooked with all these campus shootings so they figure throwing more guns into the mix might help.That's not what muh feels is, fam.QuoteSo let's not drag the whole "muh feels" horse shit into this because the entire fucking argument about guns on both sides in america is based around feelings.it's really not. The left has a muh feels camp on the issue but I'll admit that doesn't make up the entire anti-gun left.
Quote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 10:39:32 AMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 10:24:38 AMQuote from: HEAT SEEKING GHOST OF SEX on October 10, 2015, 09:54:04 AMQuote from: Flee on October 10, 2015, 07:00:22 AMYeah, this is not the answer. I imagine knowing that there would be fellow students carrying a gun on them in class is going to be a pretty disturbing experience for some of the students (and teachers) there.OH GODSOME PEOPLE ON MY CAMPUS MIGHT HAVE G-GUNSOH GOD I'M SO TRIGGERED THIS IS HINDERING ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS-STOP OPPRESSING ME SHITLORDHe does have a point. I wouldn't say disturbing. But I know if it were me I wouldn't exactly feel in pleasant company in the presence of somebody with a gun. And you've got several people here who've said basically the same thing. Knowing you, you'd probably argue that because it's concealed carry, I wouldn't know.At which point that's honestly less of a comfort because I would know that somebody was carrying one around. Just not who.And I notice that after a few rounds of comments from other people you've done absolutely nothing to comment on the fact that maybe it is a bit of a concern that they'd allow more people to wander around with concealed weapons.Because it is a concern. Mainly because you can't fucking trust people for shit. Period.Concealed carries are not a threat to you. Like at all.The point of concealed carry is personal defence and only personal defense. Carry pistols are small pieces that do not have large magazines and shoot small-caliber bullets. Completely inoptimal for extended violence.Concealed carriers have to undergo a background check and are subject to prosecution if they have a fuck up.It's the guy who walks in with his gun in plain sight you need to worry about.Also "muh feels" is not a legitimate reason to restrict carry.And you really think that if some guy is having a bad day or he's in a heat of the moment type situation that he's going to give a shit about background checks and prosecution?
It doesn't matter if it's a small capacity weapon. It's still a weapon and it can be used to kill somebody, easily. Disregarding it just because it's not capable of mass violence doesn't negate its potential danger.
And if you want to drag "muh feels" into this, then let's talk about how "muh feels" is literally the basis of this new law. Somebody in parlament is getting a little spooked with all these campus shootings so they figure throwing more guns into the mix might help.
So let's not drag the whole "muh feels" horse shit into this because the entire fucking argument about guns on both sides in america is based around feelings.
Quote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.
Can you americucks just buck up and admit the deterrence meme categorically does not work?
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 07:03:26 AMQuote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.The funny thing is that's not even how he said it, the context back then was completely different (back when we were in fear of being taken over from so many countries), and it says well regulated militia.
Quote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 12:52:33 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 07:03:26 AMQuote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.The funny thing is that's not even how he said it, the context back then was completely different (back when we were in fear of being taken over from so many countries), and it says well regulated militia.Oh believe me I'm aware of that one at this point.A document that's a few hundred years old is, naturally, going to be out of date and out of context a bit.
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 01:05:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 12:52:33 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 07:03:26 AMQuote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.The funny thing is that's not even how he said it, the context back then was completely different (back when we were in fear of being taken over from so many countries), and it says well regulated militia.Oh believe me I'm aware of that one at this point.A document that's a few hundred years old is, naturally, going to be out of date and out of context a bit.I do often wonder why we're so obsessed with guns and so eager to get them out in the general public when it's proven it kills more.If we were to promote gun safety and actually have ads about it like they do with other crap, then maybe I'd be okay with it. But as it goes they're too easy to get, and not enough people are being taught the responsibilities it carries.
Quote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 01:10:26 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 01:05:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 12:52:33 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 07:03:26 AMQuote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.The funny thing is that's not even how he said it, the context back then was completely different (back when we were in fear of being taken over from so many countries), and it says well regulated militia.Oh believe me I'm aware of that one at this point.A document that's a few hundred years old is, naturally, going to be out of date and out of context a bit.I do often wonder why we're so obsessed with guns and so eager to get them out in the general public when it's proven it kills more.If we were to promote gun safety and actually have ads about it like they do with other crap, then maybe I'd be okay with it. But as it goes they're too easy to get, and not enough people are being taught the responsibilities it carries.Well, at this point I doubt there's anything to be done about it. Your culture is so steeped and ornery about firearms that you can't do shit to limit them without people immidiately feeling opressed and scared of going gunless. And even if you did manage it, supposedly, right now there's more guns in america than there are people.You couldn't even make a dent in that amount of firearms at this point. And the culture couldn't handle it if you did make restrictive laws because at that point you'd be putting people who do obey the laws in danger because you've got so many fuckwit criminals shooting up the place who don't give a shit.It's going to blow up one of these days.
Buy back program.Australia did it and it was successful
Quote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 01:17:36 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 01:10:26 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 01:05:24 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 10, 2015, 12:52:33 PMQuote from: Deadtrap on October 10, 2015, 07:03:26 AMQuote from: Septy on October 10, 2015, 04:05:23 AMCarrying a gun does not make you safe. It makes you and everyone around you a target. When the fuck are we going to ban concealed and open carry.Well, seeing as there's a piece of paper that says "you can have all the guns," signed by some dead guy a few hundred years old at the moment, not anytime soon.The funny thing is that's not even how he said it, the context back then was completely different (back when we were in fear of being taken over from so many countries), and it says well regulated militia.Oh believe me I'm aware of that one at this point.A document that's a few hundred years old is, naturally, going to be out of date and out of context a bit.I do often wonder why we're so obsessed with guns and so eager to get them out in the general public when it's proven it kills more.If we were to promote gun safety and actually have ads about it like they do with other crap, then maybe I'd be okay with it. But as it goes they're too easy to get, and not enough people are being taught the responsibilities it carries.Well, at this point I doubt there's anything to be done about it. Your culture is so steeped and ornery about firearms that you can't do shit to limit them without people immidiately feeling opressed and scared of going gunless. And even if you did manage it, supposedly, right now there's more guns in america than there are people.You couldn't even make a dent in that amount of firearms at this point. And the culture couldn't handle it if you did make restrictive laws because at that point you'd be putting people who do obey the laws in danger because you've got so many fuckwit criminals shooting up the place who don't give a shit.It's going to blow up one of these days.Buy back program.Australia did it and it was successful