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Quote from: RC5908 on September 24, 2014, 12:47:34 PM

Well, look at Star Trek. They're post-scarcity, and pretty much everyone is a scientist, an artist, or a member of the military. I'm sure it'd be kinda like that.

And what about when robots take over those jobs too?

People will continue to do them because they enjoy doing them.

Quote from: RC5908 on September 24, 2014, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 24, 2014, 12:50:57 PM

Quote from: RC5908 on September 24, 2014, 12:47:34 PM

Well, look at Star Trek. They're post-scarcity, and pretty much everyone is a scientist, an artist, or a member of the military. I'm sure it'd be kinda like that.

And what about when robots take over those jobs too?

People will continue to do them because they enjoy doing them.

That's exactly my question, though.

Some people will be, definitely, but your average guy of the street isn't going to start buying Bunsen burners and paintbrushes.

What if...we went futurama and breed people for specifics? Breed a natural scientists, breed genetically strong soldiers.

Meta, you've asked perhaps the scariest question known to modern society today. And I'll answer it. Are you ready for some spooky fucking shit?

Spoiler

Don't say I didn't warn you.

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Fucking really now, you'll have a heart attack.

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Why do I write? Why do I draw? Why does my mother like to care for her garden? Why does her friend bake? Why does my sister's husband do pottery?

The very simple answer is, because we all like to. It's something that brings us joy, gives us purpose and fun, and keeps our respective minds in shape with the task or idea at hand.

In a society where Humans don't need to work, they'd have to figure out how to do something that's been lost in modern society. How to lead a life that you enjoy, doing what you want to do, when you want to do it, and how you want to do it.

I'm asking for concretes, not an abstract. Saying people would need to figure out how to lead a life you enjoy is a tautology.

People can't tend to their garden, write or bake for every waking hour. I'm asking if I) we have the capacity to fill our time besides employment II) what sort of social programmes could arise, if they would arise, from this paradigm and III) what are the political implications of that?

Quote from: Sandtrap on September 24, 2014, 01:22:47 PM

Meta, you've asked perhaps the scariest question known to modern society today. And I'll answer it. Are you ready for some spooky fucking shit?

Spoiler

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Spoiler

Fucking really now, you'll have a heart attack.

Spoiler

Why do I write? Why do I draw? Why does my mother like to care for her garden? Why does her friend bake? Why does my sister's husband do pottery?

The very simple answer is, because we all like to. It's something that brings us joy, gives us purpose and fun, and keeps our respective minds in shape with the task or idea at hand.

In a society where Humans don't need to work, they'd have to figure out how to do something that's been lost in modern society. How to lead a life that you enjoy, doing what you want to do, when you want to do it, and how you want to do it.

I'm asking for concretes, not an abstract. Saying people would need to figure out how to lead a life you enjoy is a tautology.

People can't tend to their garden, write or bake for every waking hour. I'm asking if I) we have the capacity to fill our time besides employment II) what sort of social programmes could arise, if they would arise, from this paradigm and III) what are the political implications of that?

I wouldn't be surprised if people became more social as a result. Sports, interactions, people mingling. There'd likely be a wide sense of adventure that would spread through people. You don't have to work anymore, so why not do what you've always wanted? Why not travel the world, or go skydiving, that sort of stuff. I like to focus a lot on my writing. But you are right. I can't do it all day. But for a good chunk of time, I can. In the spots of downtime that I do have, I do other things.

Play games with folks on xbox, find things to tinker and fix, read, go outside and enjoy the weather and keep in shape. That sort of stuff.

No doubt, there would still be responsabilities to uphold, and people might actually begin to start thinking in a more independant manner. Why not make my house look better? Why not fix something instead of throwing it out in the trash? Why not make something? Why not study something they were always interested in?

In general, people would likely become more social, more inquisitive to the world around them, and in some sense, more independant. Learning would have the potential to flourish, as with all these people seeking new things, you'd need facilities to accomodate them all.

I can answer the social aspect, but not the political. As far as I'm concerned all this political stuff doesn't exist already, so with a happy society like that Governments would quickly weaken in the sense that they would suddenly have to manage a lot less.

We'd see a spike in consumption, and production, of cultural content. There'd be more creative activities going on. People would be less stressed. It's possible to fill your life with activities even if you don't have a job (that is, if it like in this theoretical situation doesn't cause economical problems).

Invent new jobs.

Impossible.

The robots are better at everything.

Why would people give up on jobs they enjoy doing, though? In the manufacturing industry and similar areas of work it might happen, but why would people just stop writing music, making movies, painting pictures, and so on?

People could and would certainly do it. The point is, most people can't write music, movies or paint pictures and many more would be dissuaded from a feeling of inferiority. Furthermore, people can't do that all day and every day.

I'm asking what sort of social programmes would arise, and how (if necessary) the government could encourage it.

I have no answer to this, it's quite a scary thought although fortunately it won't happen in my lifetime

About 45% of jobs are in danger of being automated over the next two decades.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 25, 2014, 07:22:07 AM

Quote from: Gatsby on September 25, 2014, 06:12:47 AM

I have no answer to this, it's quite a scary thought although fortunately it won't happen in my lifetime

About 45% of jobs are in danger of being automated over the next two decades.

Whoah, that's err very sudden. However these estimates should be taken with a grain of salt, analyst's are always over estimating our technological advances.

It's not about advances, it's about availability. Automation comes with technology, which already exists, getting cheaper. In January, English cities will begin trialling driverless cars, Baxter is a robot which can do general purpose tasks like bartending and services, the Aloft hotel chain is trialling robotic butlers and there's a robot which performs surgery.

This, or a significant part of it, will happen in our lifetimes.