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Debate among yourselves about the following:

Would there be a Taliban, Al-Qaeda ISIS, etc. if foreign powers stayed out of the Middle-East? Would these organizations disappear if foreign powers stayed out of Middle-East affairs and let them deal with their problems like the rest of the world has done?

 
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Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Well, since the first two of those came directly out of US intervention in the Soviet War in Afghanistan. And since ISIS, came from Al-Qaeda. Pretty much, the US was nearly completely responsible for the rise of all 3 of those groups.
We wouldn't have had to fund the Mujahedin if them dang dirty stinking Reds would have stayed in their own country first.

 
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Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
Or..

We never had to supply them to begin with? So what if they wanted to get their hands dirty in Afghanistan? It was literally right next to the Soviet Union.

Unless you weren't being serious...
Not entirely serious.
However, we still had that containment policy at the time, didn't we?

 
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Yes. Al-Qaeda is a group which says it'll never forgive America for disallowing a genocide in East Timor, Hezbollah has used official party symbols adorned with weaponry and ISIS is currently attempting genocide in northwest Iraq.

When people claim this fundamentalist terrorism is a direct result of U.S. foreign policy, you can see how far the termites have spread.

 
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Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
...so are you saying that those people are right or what? I'm not getting exactly what you mean by "the termites have spread"
They're wrong.

Islamists will be Islamists.

 
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Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
The US still played a fairly important part in their rise to power though. It was about 50-50 between the Soviet Union and the US in terms of responsibility for the Taliban and Al Qaeda being so influential.

No doubt, but who the fuck is interested in playing the blame game now? If you give a man a knife, you blame him when he stabs another person.

Fuck ISIS and all of the other terrorist groups - they're responsible for themselves.

 
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Quote from: Weed Commando on August 09, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
It's not so much a blame game, as it is a failure for the US to learn from its mistakes with foreign policy. The big lesson from the Soviet-Afghan war is to not rush into arming rebels when you have no idea who they are. Yet they're doing that same thing down in Syria as we speak.

I agree that's completely and utterly retarded.

I just hate it when people use that, for some reason, as a justification to essentially allow these Islamists to do what they want.

 
 
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Actually, i'd like to point out that the issues in the region began WHEN THE GLORIOUS BRITISH EMPIRE TRIED TO BRING PEACE TO THE SAVAGES

BUT WE LOST

THREE TIMES IN A ROW

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Quote from: Sprungli on August 09, 2014, 07:29:11 PM
Actually, i'd like to point out that the issues in the region began WHEN THE GLORIOUS BRITISH EMPIRE TRIED TO BRING PEACE TO THE SAVAGES

BUT WE LOST

THREE TIMES IN A ROW
You can't bring peace to savages silly. A lot of people are still learning that.

 
 
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