Can't prove it happened.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 24, 2014, 04:34:14 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:29:50 AMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 24, 2014, 04:28:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:25:50 AMQuote from: Flee on December 24, 2014, 04:22:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.That's true. But it feels fascistic to throw people in jail for saying something, even if it is as despicable as holocaust denial.Well, if it was really unpopular there, why don't they just repeal those laws. There really isn't anything stopping them from repealing that laws should they want to, which is why I'm not outraged by these laws myself. If it were impossible to repeal them, I'd be a lot more concerned over them.Like I said, I don't think its enforced all that much.Which is.........most likely the case. Or else there'd be a lot more controversy surrounding it in the countries where the law is present.Minus Israel of course. But it makes the most sense for them.I mean the list of people affected by the law is a handful of people. So they don't really enforce it on your average Mohammed and Klaus.
Quote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:29:50 AMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 24, 2014, 04:28:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:25:50 AMQuote from: Flee on December 24, 2014, 04:22:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.That's true. But it feels fascistic to throw people in jail for saying something, even if it is as despicable as holocaust denial.Well, if it was really unpopular there, why don't they just repeal those laws. There really isn't anything stopping them from repealing that laws should they want to, which is why I'm not outraged by these laws myself. If it were impossible to repeal them, I'd be a lot more concerned over them.Like I said, I don't think its enforced all that much.Which is.........most likely the case. Or else there'd be a lot more controversy surrounding it in the countries where the law is present.Minus Israel of course. But it makes the most sense for them.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 24, 2014, 04:28:17 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:25:50 AMQuote from: Flee on December 24, 2014, 04:22:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.That's true. But it feels fascistic to throw people in jail for saying something, even if it is as despicable as holocaust denial.Well, if it was really unpopular there, why don't they just repeal those laws. There really isn't anything stopping them from repealing that laws should they want to, which is why I'm not outraged by these laws myself. If it were impossible to repeal them, I'd be a lot more concerned over them.Like I said, I don't think its enforced all that much.
Quote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:25:50 AMQuote from: Flee on December 24, 2014, 04:22:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.That's true. But it feels fascistic to throw people in jail for saying something, even if it is as despicable as holocaust denial.Well, if it was really unpopular there, why don't they just repeal those laws. There really isn't anything stopping them from repealing that laws should they want to, which is why I'm not outraged by these laws myself. If it were impossible to repeal them, I'd be a lot more concerned over them.
Quote from: Flee on December 24, 2014, 04:22:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.That's true. But it feels fascistic to throw people in jail for saying something, even if it is as despicable as holocaust denial.
Quote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:09:45 AMYeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.Well, that's kind of the entire point. They're trying to prevent this from being forgotten and from people stirring up shit. The longer it's been, the easier it becomes to meddle facts with fiction. The point of these laws is to stop right wing groups from instigating hatred and discrimation by systematically trying to deny and pollute the holocaust and its severity. I guess that this is a very cultural thing though. For example, as opposed to the US, slavery or guns were never much of a thing here, which is why things like the second amendment and some racial stuff is incredibly foreign and strange to us. On the other hand, the US may have been very involved in the second world war, but the country didn't even come close to experiencing what mainland Europe went through, which is why things like these anti-denial laws might make no sense to you but are generally accepted here.
Yeah I know, but they can't just hide that part of their history and act like it didn't happen. That's what I don't like about this.
Quote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot.
Quote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:39:05 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot. Camps don't prove that 6,000,000 jews were gassed.
Quote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:41:29 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:39:05 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot. Camps don't prove that 6,000,000 jews were gassed.So what were the gas chambers for? How about the Nazis that opened the doors? How about footage of the Nazis?How about all them facts you're denying?
Quote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:43:04 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:41:29 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:39:05 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot. Camps don't prove that 6,000,000 jews were gassed.So what were the gas chambers for? How about the Nazis that opened the doors? How about footage of the Nazis?How about all them facts you're denying?......And then the chihuahua goes silent.LOL
Quote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:41:29 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:39:05 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot. Camps don't prove that 6,000,000 jews were gassed.I'm actually with you, here. 6,000,000 didn't die. The Holocaust happened, it was horrendous, it should never happen again. But I have my doubts about the 6,000,000 figure.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 24, 2014, 09:12:25 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:41:29 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 24, 2014, 04:39:05 AMQuote from: Priscilla on December 24, 2014, 04:35:40 AMCan't prove it happened.Fuck off. The camps are there. There are survivors that are alive. If you don't accept all the other proof, you can't deny people that actually lived through it. Well, you can, but you'd look like an idiot. Camps don't prove that 6,000,000 jews were gassed.I'm actually with you, here. 6,000,000 didn't die. The Holocaust happened, it was horrendous, it should never happen again. But I have my doubts about the 6,000,000 figure.As you should. In 1933, Europe's Jewish population was around 9.3 million. In the events leading up to and during the Holocaust, figures reliably point to around 4.5 million Jews leaving Europe to seek refuge. Assuming these statistics are on the conservative side and being generous with a population increase before the final solution, Hitler would have had to kill every single European Jew left to hit the 6 million number, and if you look at the design of the Nazi death camps, they were in no way efficient enough to do that.I've got no credentials here, but I think a 2.5 million number is a little more correct based on what I've read over the years.
Guys, don't forget more than just Jews were killed in the holocaust...
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