So..maybe no Big Bang?

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http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

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The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

The widely accepted age of the universe, as estimated by general relativity, is 13.8 billion years. In the beginning, everything in existence is thought to have occupied a single infinitely dense point, or singularity. Only after this point began to expand in a "Big Bang" did the universe officially begin.

Although the Big Bang singularity arises directly and unavoidably from the mathematics of general relativity, some scientists see it as problematic because the math can explain only what happened immediately after—not at or before—the singularity.

"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.

Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.

Obviously there's no cut and dry conclusion at this point, but it's certainly interesting.


 
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Yeah, I'm sceptical.

I don't know how you can even begin to account for the problem of the Doppler shift or the issue of infinite regression within an ageless universe.


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Hmm interesting.

I'll stick to the more researched and accepted theory for the creation Universe for now, but if this picks up more research and scientific backing then fair enough, although that's going to fuck up a lot of other widely accepted theories.

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Would Planck's constant be affected for example, considering theoretically the earliest time you can get to the creation of the Universe is 6.6x10^-34s using that. I may not have remembered this well, it was a while ago from my A Level Physics teacher.
Last Edit: February 10, 2015, 06:19:52 PM by SuperIrish


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So I actually understand very little of the paper itself, but it seems like they're taking the big bang model and putting the singularity at the asymptote of time --> - ∞...meaning, in their model, as we approach the "beginning" of the universe the universe gets smaller and smaller, but never actually reaches singularity.

tl;dr: They're proposing that instead of an infinite cycle of crunches and bangs, it's actually just an infinitely long bang. Supposedly their model eliminates the the problem of dark energy and mass, though it replaces them with another hypothetical material.

Last Edit: February 10, 2015, 09:56:21 PM by HurtfulTurkey


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
White whole blahblahblah black hole blah blah black hole blah blah big bang blah.

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You buttmad over the fact I called you out on your disregard for supplying sources, or something?



 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
So I actually understand very little of the paper itself, but it seems like they're taking the big bang model and putting the singularity at the asymptote of time --> - ∞...meaning, in their model, as we approach the "beginning" of the universe the universe gets smaller and smaller, but never actually reaches singularity.

tl;dr: They're proposing that instead of an infinite cycle of crunches and bangs, it's actually just an infinitely long bang. Supposedly their model eliminates the the problem of dark energy and mass, though it replaces them with another hypothetical material.
From your perspective, exactly what is the value of this research? Is it decent,  groundbreaking or did some laymen in the media pick it up and start clucking like a chicken.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
So, it's pretty easy to determine that this paper is nothing special.

It doesn't even try to make comment on the Big Bang--because the Big Bang pretty much irrefutably happened. Time and space both came into existence 13.8bya as far as anybody knows.

What this paper is saying is that the universe didn't exist as a singularity; it has just always existed in a state of quantum potential.


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So I actually understand very little of the paper itself, but it seems like they're taking the big bang model and putting the singularity at the asymptote of time --> - ∞...meaning, in their model, as we approach the "beginning" of the universe the universe gets smaller and smaller, but never actually reaches singularity.

tl;dr: They're proposing that instead of an infinite cycle of crunches and bangs, it's actually just an infinitely long bang. Supposedly their model eliminates the the problem of dark energy and mass, though it replaces them with another hypothetical material.
From your perspective, exactly what is the value of this research? Is it decent,  groundbreaking or did some laymen in the media pick it up and start clucking like a chicken.

I don't want you guys to think I'm authoritative at all on this. I have an engineering degree and dabble in self-taught higher math and enjoy light reading on quantum theory. I don't think it's groundbreaking in the sense that general relativity or quantum theory was, but I think they've presented a really interesting new idea that I haven't heard before.


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You buttmad over the fact I called you out on your disregard for supplying sources, or something?
Nah, I just find you funny. And conveying my and most other's lack of understanding


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Nah, I just find you funny. And conveying my and most other's lack of understanding
Well now I look like a cunt for assuming you were out to get me <.<

I'll just scoot on outta here >.>


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Nah, I just find you funny. And conveying my and most other's lack of understanding
Well now I look like a cunt for assuming you were out to get me <.<

I'll just scoot on outta here >.>
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If it's the paper i think you guys are referring to, move along it's mostly junk.


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