and it's ultimately collected for the greater purpose of maintaining national security. I would take sacrificed privacy over terror attacks and day of the week, and think it's unbelievably selfish and irrational to suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Winy on October 15, 2015, 05:52:43 PM and it's ultimately collected for the greater purpose of maintaining national security. I would take sacrificed privacy over terror attacks and day of the week, and think it's unbelievably selfish and irrational to suggest otherwise.Too bad you're not getting any security out of it. If you were, 12 Colorado residents would still be alive. Two Chechnyan kids wouldn't have attacked a marathon. Dylann Roof would never have been on the news.The NSA has stopped four potential threats and allowed countless others to happen. The only successes for government spying programs have been detaining citizens who attempt to leave America to fight in the middle east for terrorist organizations.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 02:50:47 PMQuote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 15, 2015, 02:49:54 PMVerb, in your hypothetical future where the government keeps surveillance on everything and everyone, is the state equally transparent to the people?I don't see why not.Threats to national security aside?I mean, the government serves us. If we don't have the right to conduct surveillance on them like they do on us, the entire system is reversed and broken.
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 15, 2015, 02:49:54 PMVerb, in your hypothetical future where the government keeps surveillance on everything and everyone, is the state equally transparent to the people?I don't see why not.
Verb, in your hypothetical future where the government keeps surveillance on everything and everyone, is the state equally transparent to the people?
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 11:28:49 AMNo one's patting Meta on the back. He provided the evidence--that doesn't deserve much of an applause.I then responded to it, and no one's responded to that yet.Thing is, it's not that irrational. Humans have, for most of their history, lived in circumstances where group selection, herd mentality, suspicion and domination of bad actors was the way of life. We function with an innate social facet and power structures; institutions designed by us to exert power are always going to change behaviour and emotional states precisely because it's conducive to not being punished.
No one's patting Meta on the back. He provided the evidence--that doesn't deserve much of an applause.I then responded to it, and no one's responded to that yet.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 15, 2015, 05:20:18 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 11:28:49 AMNo one's patting Meta on the back. He provided the evidence--that doesn't deserve much of an applause.I then responded to it, and no one's responded to that yet.Thing is, it's not that irrational. Humans have, for most of their history, lived in circumstances where group selection, herd mentality, suspicion and domination of bad actors was the way of life. We function with an innate social facet and power structures; institutions designed by us to exert power are always going to change behaviour and emotional states precisely because it's conducive to not being punished.We would adapt.
Come on, that's not a substantial response. Even if we would, it'd take a long time and a lot of significant suffering for people who would have the response we have reason to believe they would indeed have.
Its quite ironic how you are so hard pressed about the lack of consent in birth but when people are born into this world you're prepared to disregard their consent entirely.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:25:11 PMQuote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:12:32 PMIts quite ironic how you are so hard pressed about the lack of consent in birth but when people are born into this world you're prepared to disregard their consent entirely.Except I've already conceded the utility of a consent-based private surveillance system, dumbass. It would be consensual outside of public places.It should still be consensual in public places you fucking idiot.
Quote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:12:32 PMIts quite ironic how you are so hard pressed about the lack of consent in birth but when people are born into this world you're prepared to disregard their consent entirely.Except I've already conceded the utility of a consent-based private surveillance system, dumbass. It would be consensual outside of public places.
I'm really glad people like you are such a small minority and all the things you want will never actually happen. This world would be a shit hole.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:29:58 PMQuote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:29:12 PMI'm really glad people like you are such a small minority and all the things you want will never actually happen. This world would be a shit hole.It's people like you who deserve to have a camera on you at all times the most.Its people like you that should stop being a hypocrite and listen to their own philosophy about suicide.
Quote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:29:12 PMI'm really glad people like you are such a small minority and all the things you want will never actually happen. This world would be a shit hole.It's people like you who deserve to have a camera on you at all times the most.
Unless someone can try to argue to me that I'm the irrational one for not caring. Good luck.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:22:48 PMUnless someone can try to argue to me that I'm the irrational one for not caring. Good luck.Not caring isn't irrational, per se. Thinking it can be done perfectly, however, is.
You don't even have a good reason to not kill yourself
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:37:08 PMQuote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:36:12 PMYou don't even have a good reason to not kill yourselfI can't advocate for the things I believe in if I'm dead.Yeah but the things you believe in are retarded and no one actually cares.
Quote from: Dr. Pavel on October 15, 2015, 07:36:12 PMYou don't even have a good reason to not kill yourselfI can't advocate for the things I believe in if I'm dead.
if it could, there would be no rational reason to worry.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:37:08 PMif it could, there would be no rational reason to worry.Sure, but this is rather irrelevant to the question of practical applicability. Saying if it could be done perfectly there'd be no reason to worry is begging the question.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 15, 2015, 07:39:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 07:37:08 PMif it could, there would be no rational reason to worry.Sure, but this is rather irrelevant to the question of practical applicability. Saying if it could be done perfectly there'd be no reason to worry is begging the question.The question hasn't been about practical applicability for at least five or six pages now.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 14, 2015, 07:53:03 PMfuck off with your totalitarian police state bullshitI'm sorry that you can't own a lobster.
fuck off with your totalitarian police state bullshit
Quote from: Cadenza on October 15, 2015, 01:46:46 AMHowever they goddamn well please since they're the ones in control of the system meant to stop them; did you really just ask how a human being could possibly commit a crime?...Criminals are in control of the system? Uhhh, okay. Meanwhile, in reality...
However they goddamn well please since they're the ones in control of the system meant to stop them; did you really just ask how a human being could possibly commit a crime?
QuoteIf they didn't give a fuck then they wouldn't be spying on me, yet I haven't committed a crime. Why are they spying on me, and doing so with taxpayers money?To deter you from committing crimes.God, you really are an idiot.
If they didn't give a fuck then they wouldn't be spying on me, yet I haven't committed a crime. Why are they spying on me, and doing so with taxpayers money?
"RIGOROUS MATHEMATICALLY LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE"
QuoteFurthermore I quite enjoy being able to isolate myself from every other human every now and then, I do not appreciate that being taken away from me.It wouldn't be taken away from you.
Furthermore I quite enjoy being able to isolate myself from every other human every now and then, I do not appreciate that being taken away from me.
Quote]Exactly, I am legally innocent until proven guilty, yet the act of spying on me says that I am guilty indefinitely despite having done NOTHING AT ALL....No. It doesn't say that at all, Mr. Rigorous Mathematically Logical Perspective.They're just keeping an eye on you in case you DO commit a crime. Fucktard.
]Exactly, I am legally innocent until proven guilty, yet the act of spying on me says that I am guilty indefinitely despite having done NOTHING AT ALL.
QuoteGladly, provided I could trust the people who programmed them.Then there is no problem, you crazy insane paranoid fuck.
Gladly, provided I could trust the people who programmed them.