You can't tell me that you've never argued that a dictionary definition was wrong before. To discuss a point you're making people have to learn your definition first, and that's simply not possible unless someone who experienced a similar discussion with you or you yourself tell them.
Because she doesn't agree with you at all.
It would be getting right to the point.
"Privacy is only for scared criminals"?That sounds like some thought police mumbo jumbo.
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 01:25:55 PM"Privacy is only for scared criminals"?That sounds like some thought police mumbo jumbo.It's what I believe in.it's so awesome not being private about anything manso enlightened i amso free
Privacy is a good thing though.
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 01:46:15 PM Privacy is a good thing though.How? Why should I like privacy so much? Why is it so fucking great?
So people won't know your ins and outs, stalk you, exploit you etc.(you know personal credentials)
privacy from the govt:considering that most forms of govt already have that form of info(personal credentials), it's a little different. privacy is good for the fact that you can do things without being monitored(legal or not) and to an extant not being accountable for. It's just a sense of security really.
And yes, if you do something bad, you SHOULD be held accountable for it.
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 02:18:20 PMSo people won't know your ins and outs, stalk you, exploit you etc.(you know personal credentials) What if I don't give a fuck? Imagine that.Quoteprivacy from the govt:considering that most forms of govt already have that form of info(personal credentials), it's a little different. privacy is good for the fact that you can do things without being monitored(legal or not) and to an extant not being accountable for. It's just a sense of security really.Why is not being monitored automatically a good thing? My whole argument is that I think it's irrational to give a fuck about that shit. Ir-ra-tion-al.No one else should want privacy either. It's for scared children.
So you wouldn't give a fuck if people had your social security number and robbed you of all your money and ruined your credit?
Also when it comes to the govt watching you... for me, I don't want the govt seeing everything i do. I don't want someone of a higher power knowing everything about and to have the potential to use that from of info against me.
What would happen if laws became stricter? things you like doing are now illegal.
Why would the things you like become illegal? We wouldn't let that happen.
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 02:29:59 PMSo you wouldn't give a fuck if people had your social security number and robbed you of all your money and ruined your credit?That's different. Literally anything else, no, I don't give a fuck, and no one else should.QuoteAlso when it comes to the govt watching you... for me, I don't want the govt seeing everything i do. I don't want someone of a higher power knowing everything about and to have the potential to use that from of info against me.Why? QuoteWhat would happen if laws became stricter? things you like doing are now illegal.Why would the things you like become illegal? We wouldn't let that happen.
why? i stated why, but this all goes back to the "what if" case. what if the govt. had the power to know everything about you and they were corrupt enough to find you and do what ever they want with you. I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing for some, but being forced to be transparent would kinda suckbut like i said this all what if
Verb, in your hypothetical future where the government keeps surveillance on everything and everyone, is the state equally transparent to the people?
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 02:42:02 PMwhy? i stated why, but this all goes back to the "what if" case. what if the govt. had the power to know everything about you and they were corrupt enough to find you and do what ever they want with you. I'm not saying transparency is a bad thing for some, but being forced to be transparent would kinda suckbut like i said this all what ifSo you're just paranoid, like everyone else. Okay.Just know that paranoia isn't rational.
so caution = paranoia?
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 15, 2015, 02:49:54 PMVerb, in your hypothetical future where the government keeps surveillance on everything and everyone, is the state equally transparent to the people?I don't see why not.
Quote from: The Hån on October 15, 2015, 02:52:36 PMso caution = paranoia?Yeah, if you have no real reason to be cautious.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:28:13 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:26:49 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:25:20 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:24:32 AMHere's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?I'd have no problem with that at all, no. I'd need a good reason, though.I want to see if you really do believe any of this anti natalist crap.PM me your details when your ready.Actually, no, I'd be against that--because you could read the PMs that I've received.That crosses a line, because now you're invading other people's privacy, as well.So... on second thought, no, I'd be against that.But only because it imposes on other people who might not agree with me.So I guess privacy is important then.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:26:49 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:25:20 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:24:32 AMHere's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?I'd have no problem with that at all, no. I'd need a good reason, though.I want to see if you really do believe any of this anti natalist crap.PM me your details when your ready.Actually, no, I'd be against that--because you could read the PMs that I've received.That crosses a line, because now you're invading other people's privacy, as well.So... on second thought, no, I'd be against that.But only because it imposes on other people who might not agree with me.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:25:20 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:24:32 AMHere's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?I'd have no problem with that at all, no. I'd need a good reason, though.I want to see if you really do believe any of this anti natalist crap.PM me your details when your ready.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:24:32 AMHere's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?I'd have no problem with that at all, no. I'd need a good reason, though.
Here's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?
You should read Animal Farm
Quote from: eggsalad on October 14, 2015, 08:51:59 PMYou should read Animal FarmBoxer was my favorite
Quote from: CockRocket on October 15, 2015, 03:49:51 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 14, 2015, 08:51:59 PMYou should read Animal FarmBoxer was my favorite#snowballwouldn'thave
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:29:09 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:28:13 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:26:49 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 15, 2015, 08:25:20 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 15, 2015, 08:24:32 AMHere's a thought Verb, would you be comfortable giving me the passwords to your Sep7 and email accounts? After all, if you have no problem abdicating your privacy to the state, then you should have no problem abdicating your privacy to me.You have nothing to hide, after all, right?I'd have no problem with that at all, no. I'd need a good reason, though.I want to see if you really do believe any of this anti natalist crap.PM me your details when your ready.Actually, no, I'd be against that--because you could read the PMs that I've received.That crosses a line, because now you're invading other people's privacy, as well.So... on second thought, no, I'd be against that.But only because it imposes on other people who might not agree with me.So I guess privacy is important then.This simple fact alone under-minded Verbatim's vehemently stupid argument of "fuck privacy". I think he means "fuck privacy for everyone but me"Also, this is just another clickbait post with Verbatim parading around how right he is with absolutely NO evidence to back up his claims and ignoring all reasons against his own, no matter how clearly substantial they are. Remember, arguing with Verbatim is like arguing with a child - he has a tantrum and says you're wrong, but fails to show why. But he'll continue to say he's right until you're brain dead, because you can't beat stupid, especially if stupid is determined. For example, taken from the OP directly - "Assuming the government has good intentions (and why in the fuck wouldn't they)"LOL. Verbatim is so out of touch with reality. Ever heard of the Soviet Union, dipshit? Yeah, I'm sure they really had good intentions in mind when they were slaughtering millions of their own and sending innocent people to the gulag. How about North Korea? Yeah, they had good intentions for their people, right? Public executions, torture, poverty, but YEAH! THE GOVERNMENT TOTALLY HAS GOOD INTENTIONS LOLYou fucking dolt. You're pathetically out of touch with reality. I almost pity it, but then I remember you CHOOSE to be so delusional.
No one's patting Meta on the back. He provided the evidence--that doesn't deserve much of an applause.I then responded to it, and no one's responded to that yet.
Spoiler So, I read George Orwell's 1984 last week...
