Spoiler So, I read George Orwell's 1984 last week...

Luciana · October 14, 2015, 11:14:08 PM

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fuck off with your totalitarian police state bullshit
I'm sorry that you can't own a lobster.
God you're a such a dumb fucking piece of shit. I sincerely hope you fucking blow your brains out.
LOL

It wasn't even worth replying to

Luciana · October 14, 2015, 11:15:08 PM

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those are some pretty retarded opinions man
B-B-B-B-BUT THEY'RE GONNA SEE ME MASTURBATE!!!

I want them to watch

Verbatim · October 14, 2015, 11:20:06 PM

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fuck off with your totalitarian police state bullshit
I'm sorry that you can't own a lobster.
God you're a such a dumb fucking piece of shit. I sincerely hope you fucking blow your brains out.
LOL
It wasn't even worth replying to

Perhaps not.

What do you make of all this?

Cadenza has moved on · October 15, 2015, 12:41:46 AM

It's been quite a while since I read the book and my opinions have changed, so I'm not going to defend it in any way. However I have a few problems with your logic:

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Sorry, but fuck privacy. To this day, I still want government cameras everywhere, watching everything and everyone, at all times. That sounds like an excellent idea to me. No criminal, none at all, would ever be able to get away with any sort of crime ever again--it would just be a matter of catching them.

In the event that the criminals are the ones who are behind the cameras, this system fails to achieve it's purpose.

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Don't like being watched? Stop breaking the fucking law, then.

You do not have to be a criminal to want to be left alone.

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You're not breaking the law? Then you have nothing to worry about.

If I have nothing to worry about, why am I being spied on? furthermore, why is the taxpayer's dollars being spent on spying on people who aren't committing any crimes?

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If you care about your privacy in the sense that you'd have a problem with the government watching you everywhere, it's hard for me to think of you as a rational person, instead of a frightened little child.

At this point I have to ask, why do you have so much faith that your government would NEVER overstep their authority/corrupt the system for ulterior purposes?

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 12:53:11 AM

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In the event that the criminals are the ones who are behind the cameras, this system fails to achieve it's purpose.

Why would they be behind the cameras? Ignoring for the moment that they wouldn't be.

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You do not have to be a criminal to want to be left alone.

You are left alone, for all intents and purposes.

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If I have nothing to worry about, why am I being spied on? furthermore, why is the taxpayer's dollars being spent on spying on people who aren't committing any crimes?

To deter you from committing crimes.

...Duh.

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At this point I have to ask, why do you have so much faith that your government would NEVER overstep their authority/corrupt the system for ulterior purposes?

Because why would they.

Cadenza has moved on · October 15, 2015, 01:07:38 AM

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In the event that the criminals are the ones who are behind the cameras, this system fails to achieve it's purpose.
Why would they be behind the cameras? Ignoring for the moment that they wouldn't be.

Because then they could commit any crime they want to.

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You do not have to be a criminal to want to be left alone.
You are left alone, for all intents and purposes.

If I was left alone then I wouldn't be spied on. And unless you are part of the spy agencies yourself, you don't even know to what extent we're being spied on.

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If I have nothing to worry about, why am I being spied on? furthermore, why is the taxpayer's dollars being spent on spying on people who aren't committing any crimes?
To deter you from committing crimes.

...Duh.

And if I already have no intention of committing a crime what purpose does it serve then? if the vast majority of people have no intention of ever committing a crime then what purpose does it serve then? Also, why use such a roundabout method of deterrence?

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At this point I have to ask, why do you have so much faith that your government would NEVER overstep their authority/corrupt the system for ulterior purposes?
Because why would they.

Money, hate, enjoyment, greed...you are literally asking me why any human would ever commit a crime, there's an infinity of possible reasons why.

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 01:23:03 AM

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Because then they could commit any crime they want to.

HOW would they.

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If I was left alone then I wouldn't be spied on.

"For all intents and purposes."

No one would give a fuck what you're doing if you're not committing a crime.

This is why if you care about your privacy, you're just a scared child.

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And if I already have no intention of committing a crime what purpose does it serve then?

They don't know that. You can't prove that.

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Money, hate, enjoyment, greed...you are literally asking me why any human would ever commit a crime, there's an infinity of possible reasons why.

Then let's have robots instead of humans, then.

Cadenza has moved on · October 15, 2015, 01:46:46 AM

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Because then they could commit any crime they want to.
HOW would they.

However they goddamn well please since they're the ones in control of the system meant to stop them; did you really just ask how a human being could possibly commit a crime?

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If I was left alone then I wouldn't be spied on.
"For all intents and purposes."

No one would give a fuck what you're doing if you're not committing a crime.

If they didn't give a fuck then they wouldn't be spying on me, yet I haven't committed a crime. Why are they spying on me, and doing so with taxpayers money?

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This is why if you care about your privacy, you're just a scared child.

I am a person who has no faith in my government's ability to make productive use of intelligence gathered from spying on people, even if they have committed a crime.

Furthermore I quite enjoy being able to isolate myself from every other human every now and then, I do not appreciate that being taken away from me.

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And if I already have no intention of committing a crime what purpose does it serve then?
They don't know that. You can't prove that.

Exactly, I am legally innocent until proven guilty, yet the act of spying on me says that I am guilty indefinitely despite having done NOTHING AT ALL.

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Money, hate, enjoyment, greed...you are literally asking me why any human would ever commit a crime, there's an infinity of possible reasons why.
Then let's have robots instead of humans, then.

Gladly, provided I could trust the people who programmed them.

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 06:21:48 AM

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However they goddamn well please since they're the ones in control of the system meant to stop them; did you really just ask how a human being could possibly commit a crime?

...Criminals are in control of the system? Uhhh, okay. Meanwhile, in reality...

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If they didn't give a fuck then they wouldn't be spying on me, yet I haven't committed a crime. Why are they spying on me, and doing so with taxpayers money?

To deter you from committing crimes.

God, you really are an idiot.

"RIGOROUS MATHEMATICALLY LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE"

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Furthermore I quite enjoy being able to isolate myself from every other human every now and then, I do not appreciate that being taken away from me.

It wouldn't be taken away from you.

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]Exactly, I am legally innocent until proven guilty, yet the act of spying on me says that I am guilty indefinitely despite having done NOTHING AT ALL.

...No. It doesn't say that at all, Mr. Rigorous Mathematically Logical Perspective.

They're just keeping an eye on you in case you DO commit a crime. Fucktard.

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Gladly, provided I could trust the people who programmed them.

Then there is no problem, you crazy insane paranoid fuck.

BaconShelf · October 15, 2015, 06:33:44 AM

I read it when I was like, 13. My english teacher told me to read it because I was the only person in the class who liked reading. It was alright, don't reallr remember what happened anymore but I remember enjoying it - I've still got the book in my room (Whch I've had for about 3 years now), never got round to returning it.

Ajax · October 15, 2015, 07:14:22 AM

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However they goddamn well please since they're the ones in control of the system meant to stop them; did you really just ask how a human being could possibly commit a crime?
...Criminals are in control of the system? Uhhh, okay. Meanwhile, in reality...

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If they didn't give a fuck then they wouldn't be spying on me, yet I haven't committed a crime. Why are they spying on me, and doing so with taxpayers money?
To deter you from committing crimes.

God, you really are an idiot.

"RIGOROUS MATHEMATICALLY LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE"
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Furthermore I quite enjoy being able to isolate myself from every other human every now and then, I do not appreciate that being taken away from me.
It wouldn't be taken away from you.

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]Exactly, I am legally innocent until proven guilty, yet the act of spying on me says that I am guilty indefinitely despite having done NOTHING AT ALL.
...No. It doesn't say that at all, Mr. Rigorous Mathematically Logical Perspective.

They're just keeping an eye on you in case you DO commit a crime. Fucktard.
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Gladly, provided I could trust the people who programmed them.
Then there is no problem, you crazy insane paranoid fuck.

That moment when you result to unfounded Ad hominem attacks instead of talking about his actual argument...

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:21:44 AM

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That moment when you result to unfounded Ad hominem attacks instead of talking about his actual argument...

That moment when someone thinks a generic insult is an ad hominem. It isn't.

I responded to every single one of his arguments, while insulting him, because he's an idiot. And so are you.

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 07:28:40 AM

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:30:42 AM

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I don't understand why people argue with Verbatim. He's never been able to make any valid counter arguments. All he says is "fuck your argument, I personally don't care so it objectively doesn't matter".

LOL

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:33:29 AM

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Verbatim is a perfect example of a willing slave. He'd have us all watched by the government 24/7, but I wager the thought of having the government under watch 24/7 didn't even cross his mind.

Except being watched doesn't make you a slave. Even a first grader would know that.

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 07:33:58 AM

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:36:32 AM

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I don't understand why people argue with Verbatim. He's never been able to make any valid counter arguments. All he says is "fuck your argument, I personally don't care so it objectively doesn't matter".
LOL
Yes, that was my reaction when a few posts ago you were asked if you were worried about the government overstepping their boundaries and your reply was "why would they".

oh no

an honest question

how awful

clearly asking "why would they" is the same thing as saying "fuck your agument, i don't care"

go fuck yourself

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 07:38:19 AM

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:40:15 AM

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The fact that you're asking that shows how naive you are. It's hilarious.

uhhh

No shit. That's the whole point of asking questions, shithead. You're conceding your naivete by asking the question. Because if you knew, if you weren't naive on the subject, you wouldn't ask the fucking question. Because you would already know the answer.

Now that I've explained how questions work to a mental six-year-old, answer the fucking question.

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 07:43:05 AM

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:45:20 AM

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If you concede you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, why are you acting like you know what you're talking about?

Because that's the point of an argument, dipshit.

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Why would the government overstep their boundaries? Gee I don't know. Probably because they're extremely corrupt.

What constitutes "overstepping their boundaries"?

And that's a shitty answer that doesn't tell me anything. It's like saying "he's crazy" when someone asks "why did that guy shoot up that school?"

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 07:50:26 AM

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:55:43 AM

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The point of an argument is to be rude and condescending when you have no idea what you're talking about?

Except I do know what I'm talking about. You're the one claiming you know better than I do, so why the fuck wouldn't I ask you? That's called a discussion, bubba.

I'm rude and condescending because I dislike you. I've always disliked you. Get over it.

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I think it's pretty obvious. There's a plethora of ways 24/7 surveillance can be abused. If the government wanted to impose a Stalinist regime, they easily could.

And why would they want to? Why couldn't we stop them?

No, I don't think you really think about these things. At all.

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 07:57:48 AM

I think the more opposed to surveillance you are, the more you ought to be surveyed.

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Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 08:05:41 AM

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You really don't.

"You're not a paranoid fuck like me. You should be scared and afraid of the government like me. Then you'll know what you're talking about."

???

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You're rude and condescending to everybody who says anything that isn't in 100% agreement with you.

Wrong.

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Human nature.

Nice meme.

They wouldn't employ a Stalinist regime. Get your head checked.

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Don't tell me the antinatalist suddenly has faith in humanity and that they're fundamentally good and won't ever harm one another?

I've already stated a couple times already that I'd probably prefer it if we had robots watching us instead. Robots programmed by good, smart people with the best intentions in mind, obviously.

No one has took issue with that so far except Door, but the only argument he had against it at that point was "muh masculinity is endangered by the mommystate"

because being protected from criminals is such an awful thing i guess

challengerX · October 15, 2015, 08:11:13 AM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · October 15, 2015, 08:12:42 AM

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Then let's have robots instead of humans, then.

Verbatim · October 15, 2015, 08:13:44 AM

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Then let's have robots instead of humans, then.

no

not like that <_<

Mr. Psychologist · October 15, 2015, 08:15:48 AM

Yes, exactly like that.