>implying taxes are any more legitimate than the mafia demanding payment for "protection"

>implying non-voluntary taxes aren't theft

>implying the state has any legitimate claim to authority short of "might makes right"

That's fucking dumb, don't do that.

And where the fuck is everybody commenting on Door's transition from social anarchism to voluntaryism?

You fuckers would've leave me alone when I went from a communist to just a capitalist.

And where the fuck is everybody commenting on Door's transition from social anarchism to voluntaryism?

You fuckers would've leave me alone when I went from a communist to just a capitalist.

the cool thing is voluntaryism and lefty anarchism can coexist

I can have my business over here, and you can have your silly hippie commune over there.

Then when your commune fails and you're starving go death you can come and work for me so you can eat.

You once made an alt on Bungie.net called Voluntaryist you lying cunt

And you once threatened to report this forum to the authorities for a paedophile culture.

Surely you don't take everything everybody does--especially on a forum--at face value?

You fuckers would've leave me alone when I went from a communist to just a capitalist.

oh lawd x2

I remember when you were a anarcho-communist

Quote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 01:44:21 PM

So you're looking at society from an obscure, non-logical view and coming to a radical conclusion.

tell me on what grounds the state has a right to force my participation

Ha.

Why don't you go and ask the State what right it has to force your participation? You'll find your answer there.

>he thinks we can exist in a world without at least a modicum of taxation

I've become more of a libertarian myself, but the whole "no tax whatsoever" argument is retarded, and reads like something off a camnator post.

the cool thing is voluntaryism and lefty anarchism can coexist

No, they can't.  Left anarchism (anarcho-communism) is incompatible with a voluntary society because anarcho-communism doesn't allow for hierarchies of any sort.  That includes the entire employer/employee business structure.

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 30, 2014, 01:42:29 PM

the cool thing is voluntaryism and lefty anarchism can coexist

Well, they can't.

Because neither of them can or will exist in the first place.

Seasteading is becoming less and less of a pipe dream.  Most seasteaders and companies funding seasteading projects are self-described libertarians and voluntarists.  Also, in the event that the state collapses there will be a short window to establish a voluntarist society (albeit a small one).

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 30, 2014, 01:47:20 PM

Quote from: WBC Dustin on December 30, 2014, 01:44:21 PM

So you're looking at society from an obscure, non-logical view and coming to a radical conclusion.

tell me on what grounds the state has a right to force my participation

Ha.

Why don't you go and ask the State what right it has to force your participation? You'll find your answer there.

The argument is circular.  The State has the "right" to force your participation because it is the State.  The other justifications are mostly utilitarian, with force being a justified means to having roadways and schools.

>he thinks we can exist in a world without at least a modicum of taxation

I've become more of a libertarian myself, but the whole "no tax whatsoever" argument is retarded, and reads like something off a camnator post.

If you're for less government interference then the logical conclusion is for no government interference.  I.e. if you believe that the government should stay out of marriage, then why shouldn't it also stay out of other social contracts?  If you believe the government shouldn't classify the internet as a utility, then what's far-fetched about privatizing roadways (or at least putting their management under the authority of local municipalities).

All that said my reasons for being an AnCap are strictly economic.  Government intervention hinders technological progression and interferes with the free exchange of goods and services.  As for the evils of the state, I give my platform to Chris Calton:

If humankind is overall good, then government is unnecessary.

If humankind is overall evil, then it is too dangerous to grant any power to any member of humankind and call them "government".

If humankind is a mixture of good and evil, then it is completely naive to believe that positions of power will draw anybody other than the latter category.

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on December 30, 2014, 06:10:18 PM

It's not circular at all. The State has a right to enforce itself as the State because it has the power backing it. The power of wealth, law and ideology. Rights don't exist, they're just an expression of whatever force is most powerful within a society.

It doesn't have the right to enforce itself.  It just does.  I don't understand why we see corporations as entities that need to be regulated by the state for "the public interest" but the state gets a pass because there's an illusion of choice when it comes to our self-described masters.  If you stop buying a company's products, they'll go out of business.  If you stop paying the state protection money, you'll either be forced to or you'll be imprisoned/killed.  Hell, the mafia has this exact same business model and it's seen as a great evil.

You're welcome to leave or live somewhere isolated, but until then your taxes are perfectly justified by roads, schools, police, firemen, military, and tons of other services.

Quote from: Auld Lang Turkey on December 30, 2014, 08:27:51 PM

You're welcome to leave or live somewhere isolated, but until then your taxes are perfectly justified by roads, schools, police, firemen, military, and tons of other services.

I would happily pay more than what I would in taxes to recieve these services. I do not want them eliminated. I do, however, want a choice. It's not really a fair deal if you point a gun at my head and demand I purchase your services, is it?

Well yeah, you have a choice. If you choose to use those services and live in state territory, then you're obligated to pay the taxes. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and making you drive on city-maintained streets or use city-owned sewage systems.