I don't understand why people are so afraid of some Syrian migrants. We have the second amendment to protect ourselves for a reason.

Quote from: Thunder on November 18, 2015, 04:02:41 PM

Quote from: DAS B(⌐■_■)ﾒ on November 18, 2015, 04:00:59 PM

I don't understand why people are so afraid of some Syrian migrants. We have the second amendment to protect ourselves for a reason.

Not everyone chooses to carry a gun.

For instance the liberal scum that want these blood thirsty animals in my country.

Let 'em die then. We're better off that way.

Quote from: Thunder on November 18, 2015, 04:09:24 PM

and thus should be fucked to death.

Bringing orgies into the equation is going to solve NOTHING.

Quote from: Braixen on November 18, 2015, 07:33:38 PM

We don't have to let these people in, it isn't our responsibility.

People said the same thing about the Jews right before WW2 when they tried to come here. Of course in hindsight we all realize how bad that was, right?

Quote from: Braixen on November 18, 2015, 07:32:50 PM

So now wanting to protect your people is cowardly? It's pretty idiotic how libs want to gamble with their own civilians lives by letting in potential terrorists.

Okay

Go tackle your gun rights, health care, and poverty. If you're suddenly promoting the protection of your people, do it instead of suddenly acting like you care because of a hot button issue.

Let's not generalize that they're all terrorists. All because, what... one was? And he was like European actually?

And I'd say we're not working on the gun rights and poverty bits, and the healthcare one is just one side saying they'll get rid of it for the status quo we've had for decades which was failing.

Quote from: Braixen on November 18, 2015, 08:20:59 PM

Quote from: Luciana on November 18, 2015, 08:06:35 PM

Let's not generalize that they're all terrorists. All because, what... one was? And he was like European actually?

And I'd say we're not working on the gun rights and poverty bits, and the healthcare one is just one side saying they'll get rid of it for the status quo we've had for decades which was failing.

Do you know how stupid it sounds when you wanna let refugees in while accepting that some ARE terrorists? Who cares if he was fucking European or not HE WAS TERRORIST WHO POSED AS A REFUGEE.

And yes we are working on gun rights and poverty. So long as people are discussing and trying to ge things passed indicates that. But hey let's bring things into the discussion that are irrelevant to the topic, KILL ALL GAYS.

I never said I accepted any of them are terrorists because the very notion that 1 bad egg out of however many millions are fleeing = most are terrorists... Well I just think that's silly. It'd be like saying one thug = all black people are dangerous.

Listen, I'll just parrot what Winy said because I feel it hits the nail on the head. If you disagree, fine, we can agree to disagree, my opinions on you wouldn't change for better or worse. I mainly say that because I'm already insanely jaded on this issue since it's all anyone ever talks about here.

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These people deserve homes. They deserve to be let in. State governors saying that they "Aren't letting refugees in" is a bunch of nonsense; that's a federal power, not a state one. The only power they would have would be the deliberate refusal to build shelters or accommodations for the people, and there's absolutely no way that citizens would let them get away with leaving innocent people out on the streets.

Xenophobia isn't practical. Nobody is obligated to speak a certain language, practice a certain religion, or exhibit a specific cultural mindset because they live in the United States. Diversity is what drives cultural progress; several thousand refugees aren't going to "Deprive" America of it's supposedly fantastic, liberal culture. What inconveniences do you suffer because they don't speak English? It's more difficult to take their order at a restaurant? Is that honestly a worthy trade-off? Your inconvenience for a life? Better than a bunch of children getting sent back to a war zone and getting their skulls caved in with artillery rounds.

In 1938, 63% of Americans didn't want Jews in the country, either. And what do we think of that perspective now? It's ridiculous. People in the future are going to look shamefully on our country if we don't accommodate for a few thousand innocent people who just want to not get shot at. We have the money, so don't give me the "Economic impact" stuff. Ethics are more important than money, and they always will be.

"But Winy, what if they're terrorists?" 99% of them aren't. Probably a higher percentage, honestly. After France, security will be ramped up again, and I'm sure that our security procedures and systems are tighter than France's, anyway. You want me to be completely honest? If a couple people die in a terror incident because of one or two immigrants, then that's a tragedy. It's even worse of a tragedy to allow the remaining tens of thousands of people to die from the neglectfulness of a completely capable United States. I don't value American lives over Syrian ones; I'm not Nationalistic at all.

How many people are murdered yearly in the United States by American citizens? Several thousand, probably? Unless these Syrian refugees have one hell of a plan up their sleeves, then on average, you should be more concerned with getting shanked by a US patron than bombed by a Syrian refugee.

Obviously the issue is a very complicated one. I just personally don't think we should bury our heads in the sand and let these people go fuck off and die, especially since our screening of immigrants, refugees no less, is soooo insanely strict and thorough.


Edit: Honestly, it's just refreshing to talk about this with someone (you) without petty insults left and right being spewed. All I've really seen is just insanely opinionated people (on both sides) talk about this. Or rather, try to shove their opinions down the others throat like it was a Brazzers video.

We don't have to let these people in, it isn't our responsibility.