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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2016/01/11/obama-seeks-new-smart-gun-technology-this-nra-member-thinks-he-has-it/

I think this is kind of cool. Any thoughts on the matter?

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When President Obama called for advanced research on “smart” gun technologies last week, Omer Kiyani thought, “I’ve already done that.”

The Detroit-based engineer has developed a technological solution he believes will appease both sides of the contentious gun safety debate.

He should know. He has been on both sides.

Kiyani survived a shooting when he was 16. An unknown gunman fired through the back window of the car Kiyani was in one night with friends and the bullet pierced through his left cheek. The sustained injury has inhibited him from eating on the left side of his mouth.

For Kiyani, improving gun safety is personal. But he’s also a gun owner and a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association. He doesn’t want to wade into the politics of it. He just feels passionately about developing a way for guns to be safer.

“I think gun violence is a problem. This is me doing my part,” he said. “I’m not a politician. I’m none of that. I am an engineer solving a technical problem.”

The general idea behind smart gun technologies is that only the owner of a firearm could unlock it. It’s not unlike how smartphones can be fingerprint protected. Other technologies have turned the gun itself into the smart technology.

For example, one German company built one with a chip inside that could be unlocked with a watch. But stores in California and Maryland that wanted to sell the guns faced death threats and protests so intense that they backed down.

The backlash is predicated on concerns that the technology will lead to the government mandating that only guns equipped with smart technologies be sold.

Kiyani has developed a solution that doesn’t require buying a new gun. He has created a lock that fits over the trigger of most existing firearms. It can be unlocked with the owner’s fingerprint almost instantaneously.

“I have a device which is an accessory that allows any gun to become a smart gun,” he said. “It doesn’t mess with any of the internals of the gun.”

He has had the idea in his head for many years, but after the shooting in Newtown, Conn., in 2012 that left 20 elementary school children and six adults dead, he felt as though no one was doing anything actionable to curb gun violence.

“Now is the time, no one else is doing it, so I have to do it myself,” he said. “I have to do it because I felt helpless.”

In an e-mailed statement, Amy Hunter, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, the group’s lobbying arm, said the NRA “is not opposed to smart technology.”

“If manufacturers make it and people buy it, that’s fine. We’re not in the business of advocating for products – any products,” Hunter said. “We’re opposed to government mandates that require consumers to purchase particular items. This became an issue in New Jersey when the state passed a bill that said, essentially, once smart gun technology is available, no one can buy any other kind of gun. We are absolutely opposed to that.”

She said that she was not familiar with Kiyani’s product, but that regardless, the answer would be the same.

Eddie Isler, who answered the phone at Gun Owners of America, said that the public should decide whether it wants the technology, but that he sees it as largely unnecessary. Most responsible people already lock their guns away, he said. He also worried what would happen if an intruder came in to your home and only your wife was there and her fingerprint didn’t unlock it, or if the battery died.

Skeptics also worry that if the technology had a glitch, it could cost a life.

Kiyani said the lock can store up to nine fingerprints and has a battery life of several months. As for possible malfunctions, he said, guns themselves are not 100 percent foolproof. They can jam. Relying on any mechanical device for protection is a risk.

He took his product, which costs $319, to the Consumer Electronics Show in Law Vegas last week. He couldn’t demonstrate how it works, though, because he couldn’t bring a gun inside.

A onetime developer of airbag safety technologies, Kiyani left that work last year to focus full time on his biometrics company, Identilock, after he received a $100,000 grant from the Smart Tech Challenges Foundation to develop it. He said the response from gun owners so far has been positive.

At Obama’s announcement of his executive actions on guns and again at his town hall meeting last week, the president said his administration will work with the private sector on new smart gun technologies.

It’s a goal he is likely to repeat during his State of the Union address on Tuesday, where one seat in the first lady’s box will be empty as a tribute to all the Americans killed by guns.

“If a child can’t open a bottle of aspirin, we should make sure they can’t pull a trigger on a gun,” Obama said during his Jan. 5 remarks.

A federal government study determined that 8 percent of unintentional gun-related deaths could have been prevented by a child safety lock. There were nearly 2,000 accidental gun deaths in 2015 and 59 in the first 10 days of 2016, according to the Gun Violence Archive.

“That one email I get that says you saved my life, that will make it all worth it,” Kiyani said. “One life will be worth all this trouble and I know I will save more. Every time this product isn’t out there, there’s a life unsaved.”


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A neat idea but not a practical method of lowering gun crime, be it accidental or intentional.


 
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Why would he get death threats?


 
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Why would he get death threats?

Because the people who try to make or sell this stuff end up getting tons of them sent to them by 2A nutters. The article you linked even touches on it.


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Conjures up in my head dozens of scenarios in which it could get people killed.

You want your firearm as mechanically simple as possible. Extra parts cost lives.
You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette. I don't see the number of accidents being exorbitantly high--if you could illustrate some of these scenarios for me, that would be great.


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A responsible gun owner would keep their guns locked inside a safe. Therefore it is not at the ready for you to blap a dude that bursts through your window with an ak-47 and a ready to blow suicide vest.

What if the gun isn't knocked towards the friend? Now you're both dead because your friend wasn't able to run towards the gun in time and the attacker has shot you both dead.

Your gun jams, you're unable to fire. Now you're dead.


Hypothetical scenarios are fun.


 
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We're talking about human lives, not eggs.
Right. My apologies to the eggs.

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>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed
Your gun didn't get you killed--you did. Don't be a dumbass and misplace important materials.

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>with friend
>attacker
>person carrying the gun has it knocked away
>friend picks up gun
>doesn't have watch/chip
>useless gun gets you both killed
I don't follow. Are you saying the part could get lost if you were to drop the weapon?

Again, I think that has less to do with the weapon, and more to do with the handler's own incompetence. There are incompetent people who carry weapons now--what's the difference here?

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>attacker
>draw gun
>electronic failure causes malfunction
>useless gun gets you killed
So because shit breaks sometimes... we shouldn't ever invest in it?

what is this luddite shit


 
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A responsible gun owner would keep their guns locked inside a safe. Therefore it is not at the ready for you to blap a dude that bursts through your window with an ak-47 and a ready to blow suicide vest.

What if the gun isn't knocked towards the friend? Now you're both dead because your friend wasn't able to run towards the gun in time and the attacker has shot you both dead.

Your gun jams, you're unable to fire. Now you're dead.


Hypothetical scenarios are fun.
Home defense weapons are hardly that if they're locked away.

If your carry pistol jams you've done something very, very wrong to it.


 
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A responsible gun owner would keep their guns locked inside a safe. Therefore it is not at the ready for you to blap a dude that bursts through your window with an ak-47 and a ready to blow suicide vest.

What if the gun isn't knocked towards the friend? Now you're both dead because your friend wasn't able to run towards the gun in time and the attacker has shot you both dead.

Your gun jams, you're unable to fire. Now you're dead.


Hypothetical scenarios are fun.
Home defense weapons are hardly that if they're locked away.

If your carry pistol jams you've done something very, very wrong to it.

These are hypothetical situations where everything goes exactly the way I want it to in order to prove myself right Das.


 
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Conjures up in my head dozens of scenarios in which it could get people killed.

You want your firearm as mechanically simple as possible. Extra parts cost lives.
You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
We're talking about human lives, not eggs.

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--if you could illustrate some of these scenarios for me, that would be great.
>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

>with friend
>attacker
>person carrying the gun has it knocked away
>friend picks up gun
>doesn't have watch/chip
>useless gun gets you both killed

>attacker
>draw gun
>electronic failure causes malfunction
>useless gun gets you killed

I'd just like to point out one thing.

All of those scenarios paint human beings as being limbless retards incapable of defending themselves without the magical presence of a gun.

Or, maybe a little closer, suddenly incapable of living without a gun.

Little far fetched.
Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 05:02:37 PM by Sandtrap


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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
A responsible gun owner would keep their guns locked inside a safe. Therefore it is not at the ready for you to blap a dude that bursts through your window with an ak-47 and a ready to blow suicide vest.

What if the gun isn't knocked towards the friend? Now you're both dead because your friend wasn't able to run towards the gun in time and the attacker has shot you both dead.

Your gun jams, you're unable to fire. Now you're dead.


Hypothetical scenarios are fun.
Home defense weapons are hardly that if they're locked away.

If your carry pistol jams you've done something very, very wrong to it.

These are hypothetical situations where everything goes exactly the way I want it to in order to prove myself right Das.
Oh
right
So like, you know how wireless transmitter devices have to accept certain interference in accordance with FAA regulations (or so the sticker on every wireless radio, transmitter, phone manual, and controller I've ever seen says)...

So like, what if I have on me, a small battery powered rf/gps/ blocker like the ones that truckers liked to use a few years back so that home base couldn't track every pit stop they make just scaled down a little so that it's not interfering with the WAAS and GPS glideslopes when I drive past an airport like those were known to sometimes do...

I just beat every concealed weapon holder out there, because he's not gonna know what the fuck is going on.


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In Australia we just throw spiders and snakes at each other.

Its amazing how dependant a country can be on guns, a lot of other developed countries have no where near as many issues as the US does.


 
 
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Should'a gone all the way and added DNA-security based explosive to it.

Seriously though, while it sounds great in theory that big ol' box stuck on the pistol looks unwieldy and appears to be more of a hindrance than a help. Designing a whole weapon around security, maybe, but then you have the problem of being attacked by Billy Criminal with an old AK who has an extra millisecond advantage on you.


 
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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.


 
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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?


 
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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?

Nope - there's a hook right next to the door that I hang them on every time I walk in.


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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.

People misplace things all the time. That doesn't automatically mean that they're irresponsible people who can't be trusted around dangerous machinery. 


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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.


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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.
Nigga people misplace all kinds of important shit

The US government has misplaced nuclear weapons.

If something that could reasonably be misplaced is going to make a lifesaving tool useless, you should not include it in the design of the tool.
Thats why they install it into the gun and dont take it off. Itd be pointless to have two parts for such situations.


 
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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.
Nigga people misplace all kinds of important shit

The US government has misplaced nuclear weapons.

If something that could reasonably be misplaced is going to make a lifesaving tool useless, you should not include it in the design of the tool.
Thats why they install it into the gun and dont take it off. Itd be pointless to have two parts for such situations.
But if the chip is on the gun

what's the point of the device?


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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.
Nigga people misplace all kinds of important shit

The US government has misplaced nuclear weapons.

If something that could reasonably be misplaced is going to make a lifesaving tool useless, you should not include it in the design of the tool.
Thats why they install it into the gun and dont take it off. Itd be pointless to have two parts for such situations.
But if the chip is on the gun

what's the point of the device?
To make sure only the owner can use it? So his bastard son can't shoot up his schoolmates.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.
Nigga people misplace all kinds of important shit

The US government has misplaced nuclear weapons.

If something that could reasonably be misplaced is going to make a lifesaving tool useless, you should not include it in the design of the tool.
Thats why they install it into the gun and dont take it off. Itd be pointless to have two parts for such situations.
But if the chip is on the gun

what's the point of the device?
To make sure only the owner can use it? So his bastard son can't shoot up his schoolmates.
No no no, the chip is like a smart key that you wear to activate the actual device on the firearm.


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]>Misplace watch/chip
>attacker breaks into home
>go for gun
>useless gun gets you killed

If you're an idiot who can't keep track of something necessary to use a firearm, chances are you probably shouldn't have a firearm to begin with.

Just saying.
Have you never misplaced your car keys?
People misplace trivial things. The chip is something you'll always assure is there. If you dont you're clearly just putting yourself in danger.
Nigga people misplace all kinds of important shit

The US government has misplaced nuclear weapons.

If something that could reasonably be misplaced is going to make a lifesaving tool useless, you should not include it in the design of the tool.
Thats why they install it into the gun and dont take it off. Itd be pointless to have two parts for such situations.
But if the chip is on the gun

what's the point of the device?
To make sure only the owner can use it? So his bastard son can't shoot up his schoolmates.
No no no, the chip is like a smart key that you wear to activate the actual device on the firearm.
Ah I see....is that locked to a fingerprint?  If not they haven't really solved anything....

And then you'd probably keep the chip near the gun anyway.