Should suicide be illegal?

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Like, I've always wondered this, but there was something on the news a couple weeks ago about it. Why is it against the law for people to commit suicide? Similarly, why is assisted suicide illegal? Say, for instance, someone is paralyzed from the neck down and they don't want to live anymore, why do we (IE anyone else) have the right to say that they must live?

Why is this a thing? I'm hoping someone who knows more about the subject can answer this. I don't really get it.

Also, unrelated, but I think it's funny that failed suicide attempts used to get punished with hanging. Fun little fact.


 
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What's the point? Are they going to imprison the corpse?
People who attempted suicide and failed, historically, were punished. This is not the case anymore in the first world, but euthanasia, or assisted suicide, is still illegal in most countries--only five small nations recognize its legality. Despite it being the most safe, viable, and humane way to go. That's the issue.

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Yes, you should absolutely have the right to die.
Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 07:21:06 AM by Verbatim


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What's the point? Are they going to imprison the corpse?
People who attempted suicide, historically, were punished. They're not anymore in the first world, but euthanasia, or assisted suicide, is still illegal in most countries. Despite it being the most safe, viable, and humane way to go. That's the issue.

Yes, you should absolutely have the right to die.

Why? Is it just a case of being left over laws from a while back that have yet to catch up, then?


 
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Why? Is it just a case of being left over laws from a while back that have yet to catch up, then?
Because people interpret it as murder.


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Why? Is it just a case of being left over laws from a while back that have yet to catch up, then?
Because people interpret it as murder.

Well that's dumb.


 
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Very.


 
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If you wanna kill yourself go ahead I don't see why anybody gives a fuck.

Shouldn't be an easy process though.

What about, like in the OP, people physically unable to do it?


 
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Shouldn't be an easy process though.
So you do give a fuck.

Why do you care how easy it is if you don't give a fuck? You obviously have some hidden agenda.
Last Edit: September 04, 2015, 07:37:33 AM by Verbatim


 
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It just shouldn't be something where somebody feels sad and can easily go get killed at a hospital. That's fucking stupid.
It wouldn't be that simple in 99.99% of all cases. No one kills themselves just because they "feel sad". Get real.

To clarify I don't care if you want to kill yourself, I do care if it's an easy thing to do.

Because suicide will increase big time. That isn't good.
If you really didn't care, then that shouldn't matter to you. "More people are exercising their rights." So?

The only people who should be denied euthanasia are parents still housing their children.


 
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An hero would like a word with you.
Not a great case to support your argument, because no one actually knows the full extent to why he an hero'd.

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Like I said, if you want to kill yourself, that's fine.

But it shouldn't be something where you just walk into a hospital and 5 minutes later you're gone.
Well, obviously, it would be a bit of a process--but how much of a process should it be before it just gets retarded? What do you think should happen?


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It wouldn't be that simple in 99.99% of all cases. No one kills themselves just because they "feel sad". Get real.
An hero would like a word with you.

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If you really didn't care, then that shouldn't matter to you. "More people are exercising their rights." So?

The only people who should be denied euthanasia are parents still housing their children.
Like I said, if you want to kill yourself, that's fine.

But it shouldn't be something where you just walk into a hospital and 5 minutes later you're gone.

I doubt that's what it's like. Pretty much anyone seriously considering suicide is likely to have some kind of mental illness, and they'd probably be referred to a psychiatrist or something first.


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It wouldn't be that simple in 99.99% of all cases. No one kills themselves just because they "feel sad". Get real.
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If you really didn't care, then that shouldn't matter to you. "More people are exercising their rights." So?

The only people who should be denied euthanasia are parents still housing their children.
Like I said, if you want to kill yourself, that's fine.

But it shouldn't be something where you just walk into a hospital and 5 minutes later you're gone.

I doubt that's what it's like. Pretty much anyone seriously considering suicide is likely to have some kind of mental illness, and they'd probably be referred to a psychiatrist or something first.
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It's partly a relic law, back from when the church used to stick it's cross into every facet of daily life. Since suicide is a mortal sin, they wanted to make it illegal because that totally stops it from happening. I imagine the hanging part might be an ironic way of saving their soul from hell, because then they'd go to purgatory or the like rather than straight to hell for forsaking creation etc etc (See: No longer paying taxes to the church)

Nowadays, it might be left alone because it allows attempted suicides to be handled by the police for prevention and the like, so taking someone to a hospital/psych ward 'against their will' because they broke the law. I have to say I haven't really refreshed myself to the extent that I ought to have on the matter though.

In terms of it being illegal though, it's a somewhat derpy way of making a law that says 'you can't kill yourself like that'. Euthanasia in hospitals or dignity clinics is another matter which provided the proper checks and balances are in place shouldn't be an issue either. Terminally ill patients who have a choice of going to sleep or dying painfully for a month it should be a non-issue, when it comes to otherwise physically '*healthy' people you would need a lot more safeguards to prevent that from being abused/used inappropriately.

*I.e disabled people/elderly/infirm being coerced into it by their 'carers', given the amount of abuse they get from those who are meant to care for them already (Not all, but a disgustingly high number) it's not really slippery slope to say that could happen.

In terms of mental illness though, that's such a field full of landmines that I'm not really inclined to go minesweeping today. I'll leave it at first and foremost, in the same way that a doctor gives you antibiotics before chopping off your leg, people should be seen by the appropriate professionals long before that becomes a card in play.


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I'll just toss my two cents in here and raise a point everybody else already said their respective parts.

Do you really, really think that if somebody wanted to kill themselves, that any law would stand in their way? The only thing the law would do, is of course, find people who fail to kill themselves and hopefully land them somewhere where they can be taken care of.

But regardless of a law if somebody really wants to kill themselves a law won't mean jack shit.


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No, that would be a waste of money


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Can't say much for rules regarding suicide, but making assisted suicide illegal (or at least, partially) is to do with making sure people aren't coerced by others to commit suicide for their own gain.

It's fine if some person with a terminal disease and a sane mind wants help travelling to a place to commit suicide themselves (be it to the "local suicide centre around the corner" or in Switzerland), but it's a bit gray when the reason behind the suicide could be because their carer couldn't be arsed anymore and just wanted it over and done with, which led them down the path of assisted suicide.

Several centuries ago (might have been in effect up until recently, don't know myself) in the UK a failed suicide attempt was punishable by hanging... what?!


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Suicide isn't actually illegal, though. At least in the U.S.


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Can't say much for rules regarding suicide, but making assisted suicide illegal (or at least, partially) is to do with making sure people aren't coerced by others to commit suicide for their own gain.

It's fine if some person with a terminal disease and a sane mind wants help travelling to a place to commit suicide themselves (be it to the "local suicide centre around the corner" or in Switzerland), but it's a bit gray when the reason behind the suicide could be because their carer couldn't be arsed anymore and just wanted it over and done with, which led them down the path of assisted suicide.

Several centuries ago (might have been in effect up until recently, don't know myself) in the UK a failed suicide attempt was punishable by hanging... what?!
If you're too much of a fuckup to succeed at death you should be helped along for the good of everyone else tbh fam


 
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Absolutely not. Illegalizing suicide is one of the most immoral things a government can do. No one has an obligation to live, period.


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Tricky topic. I mean....this is going after all of my personal beliefs and values but yeah, a person should have that right.