Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 09, 2014, 09:37:22 PMHell noQuote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 09, 2014, 09:32:01 PMIf you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiotsYou do realize there are people who don't have $4k a year, correct?And that many careers are beginning to shun 2 year degrees, because there are so many more people with them?
Hell noQuote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 09, 2014, 09:32:01 PMIf you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 09, 2014, 09:41:57 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 09, 2014, 09:37:22 PMHell noQuote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 09, 2014, 09:32:01 PMIf you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiotsYou do realize there are people who don't have $4k a year, correct?And that many careers are beginning to shun 2 year degrees, because there are so many more people with them?If you're over 18 and you don't make at least 4 grand a year, there is a serious problem.
Quote from: Mad Max on December 10, 2014, 03:10:40 AMQuote from: Flee on December 10, 2014, 02:42:47 AMQuote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2014, 02:39:06 AMI think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalismSome of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.I know it's the dirty socialist in me talking, but I'd gladly pay 80% of my income to taxes if it meant we got a lot more things subsidized.That's not really socialism. That's just letting the government dominate tertiary education.
Quote from: Flee on December 10, 2014, 02:42:47 AMQuote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2014, 02:39:06 AMI think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalismSome of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.I know it's the dirty socialist in me talking, but I'd gladly pay 80% of my income to taxes if it meant we got a lot more things subsidized.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2014, 02:39:06 AMI think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalismSome of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.
I think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalism
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<
Quote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good idea
No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeon
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.Which is a good reason to allow privatization. A person will always choose the same job that pays more and it's so happens to be private healthcare does pay more
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 12:17:25 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.Which is a good reason to allow privatization. A person will always choose the same job that pays more and it's so happens to be private healthcare does pay moreWhich negates the whole point of universal access to healthcare, y'know, so the poor don't die of treatable diseases.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 01:21:40 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 12:17:25 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.Which is a good reason to allow privatization. A person will always choose the same job that pays more and it's so happens to be private healthcare does pay moreWhich negates the whole point of universal access to healthcare, y'know, so the poor don't die of treatable diseases.Which is why you offer poor and homeless people government healthcare while allowing the middle and rich to buy their own, ensuring everybody has medical treatment available
Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 01:29:42 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 01:21:40 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 12:17:25 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.Which is a good reason to allow privatization. A person will always choose the same job that pays more and it's so happens to be private healthcare does pay moreWhich negates the whole point of universal access to healthcare, y'know, so the poor don't die of treatable diseases.Which is why you offer poor and homeless people government healthcare while allowing the middle and rich to buy their own, ensuring everybody has medical treatment availableWhy should I have to pay for my own when other people get their for free?
Quote from: PSU on December 10, 2014, 01:31:50 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 01:29:42 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 01:21:40 PMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 12:17:25 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 11:26:27 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 11:00:09 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 10, 2014, 09:23:32 AMQuote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 10, 2014, 08:23:35 AMQuote from: H̲u̲r̲t̲f̲u̲l̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y on December 10, 2014, 07:28:37 AMNo, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.Now that's a good ideaPretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<Probably one of the very britbong ideas I like but at the same time, no interest for degrees relating to fields of necessity such as medical, policing, military, etc and even a discount for those fields. Areas like women studies and bullshit degrees ought to be more strict with. After all, a degree means better job chance and thus more tax the government receives so it's an investment if somebody becomes a brain surgeonThe NHS subsidizes a lot of medical training in the UK with the general expectation that you will then go on to work with the NHS. Some people take advantage of this and then fuck off into private healthcare or going abroad to better job prospects though >_______> Slimy bastards.Which is a good reason to allow privatization. A person will always choose the same job that pays more and it's so happens to be private healthcare does pay moreWhich negates the whole point of universal access to healthcare, y'know, so the poor don't die of treatable diseases.Which is why you offer poor and homeless people government healthcare while allowing the middle and rich to buy their own, ensuring everybody has medical treatment availableWhy should I have to pay for my own when other people get their for free?PSU has a point here, you will run into problems with people getting an unfair access to medical care.[The rest of this is for kinder]People should be able to get access to the healthcare they need, regardless of financial status/income. I would be happy with either something similar to the singaporean model as Meta explained, where it's private healthcare but it works to give everyone access to the treatments they need. Or a properly socialised system where it is funded by taxes and everyone gets access to the treatment they need.I don't care about what mechanism is used to provide the healthcare, it can be socialist or capitalist or whatever, but every human being has the right to healthcare should they need it. If that cannot be provided by a system then it doesn't work.When you have the poor and the homeless dying in the street, it's broken. When you have people who commit suicide whilst waiting for a hospital bed on a psych ward, it's broken.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 10, 2014, 05:00:16 AMQuote from: Mad Max on December 10, 2014, 03:10:40 AMQuote from: Flee on December 10, 2014, 02:42:47 AMQuote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2014, 02:39:06 AMI think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalismSome of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.I know it's the dirty socialist in me talking, but I'd gladly pay 80% of my income to taxes if it meant we got a lot more things subsidized.That's not really socialism. That's just letting the government dominate tertiary education.I'm not talking about only education. I mean basic income, housing, school, healthcare, etc.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 10, 2014, 02:39:06 AMI think you should get paid as a college student, actually.Obviously not feasible, but...>capitalismMy worthless welfare neighbor with five kids got $800 a month to take a yoga class.
Should College in the United States be free, like Public Schools?
