Should College in the United States be free, like Public Schools?

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College is a necessary thing today. You want a high wage job? You need a degree.
Well to get a degree, you need to go to college.

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.


Of course you could avoid it and go get a certification. Get put straight to work. But some of those jobs don't have a ladder to climb. It doesn't always work out for those individuals.

Your thoughts?


 
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Free, as in, no fees at all? No.

I do support higher taxes to help stymie the cost (At least for public schools)


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Considering how necessary it is to have a degree, I think there should be some publicly-subsidized tertiary education. Something like community colleges and some state schools.

Obviously we're not talking USC, Princeton, etc. You shouldn't get to go there for free; that'll cost you.
Last Edit: December 09, 2014, 09:36:24 PM by Mad Max


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If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots


 
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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?


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Free, as in, no fees at all? No.

I do support higher taxes to help stymie the cost (At least for public schools)

What fees would you want to see implemented? Like a registration fee, etc?


 
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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots

You do realize there are people who don't have $4k a year, correct?

And that many careers are beginning to shun 2 year degrees, because there are so many more people with them?


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots

You do realize there are people who don't have $4k a year, correct?
Obviously they need more bootstraps.


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse


 
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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse
Okay, now, are just talking tuition costs here? How accredited is the school? Are you solely taking the minimum courses for the required credits for your (what I assume is a) two year degree?


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I'm a filthy communist, so yes, I think it would be ideal if all forms of education were free. But I don't think my perfect communist society will happen until we reach a level of technological advancement where production of most goods and services is automated.


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots

You do realize there are people who don't have $4k a year, correct?

And that many careers are beginning to shun 2 year degrees, because there are so many more people with them?
and a $4k loan is far more easier to manage than a $50k loan. And on top of that, a 2 year degree pays more than any other degree as per a study done Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce
http://cew.georgetown.edu/collegepayoff/. That loan will be paid off in the manner of a couple of years and the person can gradually work up to a higher degree if they wish to do so, as they have a better income to afford it

That's higher education in general; we live in a bloated market with a majority having a degree but nobody is hiring them. It has some part in people not wanting to be flexible, but it shows how much a scam degrees really are, as 20 years ago you didn't need a degree for what you have to do now. More emphasis should be placed on trade schools, rather than 4-year colleges


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse
Okay, now, are just talking tuition costs here? How accredited is the school? Are you solely taking the minimum courses for the required credits for your (what I assume is a) two year degree?
You directing the questions to my schooling?

My school is VERY accredited, it's the 2nd biggest community college in the state of Virginia and has articulation agreements with American University, George Mason University, James Madison University, Norfolk State University, Old Dominion, University of Maryland University College, University of Virginia, and Virginia Wesleyan College, and a few others

My degree program is 66 credit hours and have only taken courses that are on my degree plan; I'll probably pay out-of-pocket for other courses like firearms and marksmanship


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse
Okay, now, are just talking tuition costs here? How accredited is the school? Are you solely taking the minimum courses for the required credits for your (what I assume is a) two year degree?
You directing the questions to my schooling?

My school is VERY accredited, it's the 2nd biggest community college in the state of Virginia and has articulation agreements with American University, George Mason University, James Madison University, Norfolk State University, Old Dominion, University of Maryland University College, University of Virginia, and Virginia Wesleyan College, and a few others

My degree program is 66 credit hours and have only taken courses that are on my degree plan; I'll probably pay out-of-pocket for other courses like firearms and marksmanship

You want to do police work right?


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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse
Okay, now, are just talking tuition costs here? How accredited is the school? Are you solely taking the minimum courses for the required credits for your (what I assume is a) two year degree?
You directing the questions to my schooling?

My school is VERY accredited, it's the 2nd biggest community college in the state of Virginia and has articulation agreements with American University, George Mason University, James Madison University, Norfolk State University, Old Dominion, University of Maryland University College, University of Virginia, and Virginia Wesleyan College, and a few others

My degree program is 66 credit hours and have only taken courses that are on my degree plan; I'll probably pay out-of-pocket for other courses like firearms and marksmanship

You want to do police work right?
Yes

I will say having a 2-year degree and wanting to work in local government is the best way to make an impression and get hired. Taking a simple 100 level course has gave me more knowledge than like 80% of officers on the streets, meaning I know more about the law and pose a less litigation risk for the department. On top of that, pay is like an extra $5k a year with a degree


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I neither fear, nor despise.
Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
And how many government subsidized grants are you taking again?
None

I did jump the gun with my initial response, but their are people who either drop out or fail courses because they party. People already think college is just a 4-year party and this will make it worse
Okay, now, are just talking tuition costs here? How accredited is the school? Are you solely taking the minimum courses for the required credits for your (what I assume is a) two year degree?
You directing the questions to my schooling?

My school is VERY accredited, it's the 2nd biggest community college in the state of Virginia and has articulation agreements with American University, George Mason University, James Madison University, Norfolk State University, Old Dominion, University of Maryland University College, University of Virginia, and Virginia Wesleyan College, and a few others

My degree program is 66 credit hours and have only taken courses that are on my degree plan; I'll probably pay out-of-pocket for other courses like firearms and marksmanship

You want to do police work right?
Yes

I will say having a 2-year degree and wanting to work in local government is the best way to make an impression and get hired. Taking a simple 100 level course has gave me more knowledge than like 80% of officers on the streets, meaning I know more about the law and pose a less litigation risk for the department. On top of that, pay is like an extra $5k a year with a degree

Very nice!


 
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No. Universities should be allowed to charge what they want.

The issue is one of credential inflation, not the necessity of higher education. Most of the universities in my country don't trust the highest grade you can possibly get at A-level to accurately communicate your ability.

And we also have a target of 50pc of school leavers going to uni.

Qualifications are too easy, too many people are going to university, and the universities are losing their institutional freedom.



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Hell no

If you are a college student you know the cruel reality: it is pretty dang expensive.
An entire year, 2 semesters, is a bit more than $4,000 at my college. People who pay $20,000+ a semester are idiots
same here. state schools ftw.


 
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I think you should get paid as a college student, actually.

Obviously not feasible, but...
>capitalism
Last Edit: December 10, 2014, 02:40:22 AM by Verbatim


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I think you should get paid as a college student, actually.

Obviously not feasible, but...
>capitalism

I would thoroughly enjoy college more if I made money doing it.
Instead im bored and broke :/


 
 
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I think you should get paid as a college student, actually.

Obviously not feasible, but...
>capitalism
Some of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.
I know it's the dirty socialist in me talking, but I'd gladly pay 80% of my income to taxes if it meant we got a lot more things subsidized.


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I think you should get paid as a college student, actually.

Obviously not feasible, but...
>capitalism
Some of the Scandinavian countries actually do that, so it's not that unfeasible.
I know it's the dirty socialist in me talking, but I'd gladly pay 80% of my income to taxes if it meant we got a lot more things subsidized.
That's not really socialism. That's just letting the government dominate tertiary education.


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The supply of people getting degrees in the labour market has become astronomical in the western world. Simple economics dictates the value of these degrees outweighs the demand for them, essentially rendering majority of undergraduate degrees practically worthless. Subsidizing tertiary education would really only add more supply to an already bloated labour market.

At this point people should be advancing towards apprenticeships and postgraduates, and even then, it's still pretty difficult to land a job. But I do know that subsidization is a bad idea, at least in the long term.


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No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.


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No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.
Now that's a good idea


 
 
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No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.
Now that's a good idea

Pretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.

I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<


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No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.
Now that's a good idea

Pretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.

I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<

I like that idea. Adjusting for inflation is fine, especially if they're allowing a fairly long time to start paying it back. To put it in perspective, my student loans started accruing interest the day I took them out.


 
 
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No, but I do believe it's in the government's interest to offer student loans at 0%.
Now that's a good idea

Pretty sure that's how it works with the current student finance england shite, although it looked like it adjusts for inflation over the years but the rough idea is that you only pay back when you are earning above a certain threshold without extortionate interest rates.

I reaaaaally should remember this crap, what with having a loan on it myself, but... ehhhh <.<

I like that idea. Adjusting for inflation is fine, especially if they're allowing a fairly long time to start paying it back. To put it in perspective, my student loans started accruing interest the day I took them out.

Yeah, it's quite a flexible system of repayment. It's even written off if you haven't paid it back in 30 years, but considering most people will be able to get a job at some point between 2015 and 2045, I don't think that's an entirely necessary clause. It's still a nice one though <.<

And jesus, that's just... wrong ._.