Senate Republicans are gearing up for a war against the Obama administration’s environmental rules, identifying them as a top target when they take control in January. The GOP sees the midterm elections as a mandate to roll back rules from the Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies, with Republicans citing regulatory costs they say cripple the economy and skepticism about the cause of climate change. Incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) identified his top priority come January as “to try to do whatever I can to get the EPA reined in.”McConnell made his defense of coal a major piece of Kentucky’s economy, a highlight of his reelection bid, which he won easily over Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes. He said he feels a “deep responsibility” to stop the EPA from regulating carbon dioxide emissions from coal-fired power plants, as it proposed to do in January for newly built generators and in June for existing ones. But those are far from the only rules the GOP wants to target. Republican lawmakers are planning an all-out assault on Obama’s environmental agenda, including rules on mercury and other air toxics from power plants, limits on ground-level ozone that causes smog, mountaintop mining restrictions and the EPA’s attempt to redefine its jurisdiction over streams and ponds. The Interior Department is also in the crosshairs, with rules due to come soon on hydraulic fracturing on public land and protecting streams from mining waste. Many of the rules are part of the “war on coal” that Republicans have accused Obama of waging. They charge that Obama has tried to revive cap-and-trade rules for carbon emissions despite the 2009 failure of legislation when Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress. A senior GOP aide didn’t take any of Obama’s major environmental rules off the table, saying they all could get scrutiny under Republican control of the Senate, depending on how the regulations develop. The staffer said Republicans have a series of tools available to them to fight Obama with different degrees of severity. “It’ll be a combined effort of using the appropriations process and the legislative process and the oversight process to put pressure on the administration prior to finalization,” the aide said. “And then, once they’re final, if they’re still onerous and job-killing and harmful to the economy, then we’ll fight them there as well.” McConnell has endorsed appropriations riders in recent days as the best tool to stop regulations. But if legislation with those policy provisions fails to pass, it could lead to a government shutdown, violating McConnell’s stated promises to avoid shutdowns as majority leader. Helping McConnell in his fight against the EPA will be Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), who said on election night that he would become chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee after having led it from 2003 to 2007. Inhofe is an established enemy of Obama’s EPA and skeptic of the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change, having written a book two years ago titled “The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future.” He has compared the EPA to Nazi Germany’s Gestapo and pushed to roll back water and air pollution rules, ozone limits and funding for contamination cleanup. Asked about his plans for the environment panel, Inhofe spokeswoman Donelle Harder said he has focused on his campaign and a defense bill in recent months. “There is nothing yet to be released on his agenda for the EPW Committee in the new Congress,” she said. Leading the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee will be Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), who wants to increase domestic energy production and exports. She also doubts humans’ responsibility for climate change. The House has already passed a slate of bills to roll back many EPA regulations, though Senate Republicans haven’t promised to follow the lower chamber’s lead. Business advocates are hoping for a bicameral push against the EPA in the next Congress. “I think it’s going to be a full-on attack, especially because a lot of the rules that have either been introduced or recently promulgated are going to come with extreme costs and very minimal environmental benefits,” said Nick Loris, a fellow with the Heritage Foundation. Climate change regulations are probably going to be the first priority, Loris said. He thinks Republicans could attack the core of Obama’s greenhouse gas rules. They are likely to try to roll back the 2009 “endangerment finding,” the ruling from the EPA that greenhouse gases pose a threat to public health and welfare and can be regulated. Also at risk could be the “social cost of carbon,” a metric used in the Obama administration’s cost-benefit analysis method for cutting carbon dioxide pollution. “It’s important for conservatives and those who are against the EPA’s regulation of greenhouse gases to go right to the core of this issue,” Loris said. “These are the underpinnings for a lot of what the agency is doing.” The coal lobby is hoping that McConnell will live up to his campaign promises to defend the embattled industry. “Tough oversight and investigation is needed to understand what’s at play in this administration and we look forward to the newly elected Senate letting a little sunshine in,” said Laura Sheehan, spokeswoman for the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity. But environmentalists don’t think Republicans will be able to muster the support necessary to block major Obama rules. “Even though more anti-environmental candidates were elected in Congress and will be occupying the Senate, we’re confident that the president will be able to make sure his legacy is achieved and that we’ll be able to make more progress on climate change in the years ahead,” Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club, said recently at a gathering of environmental campaign finance leaders. David Goldston, the Natural Resources Defense Council’s top lobbyist, had a similar conclusion. “The president has made clear that he will not be cowed by an appropriations strategy, by people trying to load up spending bills with provisions that the public doesn’t support and so we would expect that to be the case again,” he said. Elizabeth Thompson, director of Environmental Defense Fund campaign affiliate EDF Action, said Republicans misinterpreted the message from voters. “It would be a mistake for anyone to conclude that this election signals that the public is inviting any kind of congressional rollback of America’s bedrock environmental protections,” she said.
The EPA is hell-bent on destroying the economy and creating another economic decline
God damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh? How about read some news for once? These stringent EPA regulations are going to cost the shutdown 32 coal plants with the possibility of 36 othershttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.htmlMarch saw the LOSS of over 7,000 mining jobs as well, because of the EPA's harsh regulationshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/coal-mining-jobs-free-fall-after-epa-regsGo on, keep playing the stupid card and think the economy is going to be fine. Because in the real world, away from your dogmatic beliefs the fact is the economy is going to collapse if the EPA doesn't back the hell off
Quote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 06:10:30 AMGod damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh? How about read some news for once? These stringent EPA regulations are going to cost the shutdown 32 coal plants with the possibility of 36 othershttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.htmlMarch saw the LOSS of over 7,000 mining jobs as well, because of the EPA's harsh regulationshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/coal-mining-jobs-free-fall-after-epa-regsGo on, keep playing the stupid card and think the economy is going to be fine. Because in the real world, away from your dogmatic beliefs the fact is the economy is going to collapse if the EPA doesn't back the hell offShutting down coal plants is a good thing.Sure it's a real bitch for the communities that depend upon them, but the world needs to move past fossil fuels and the sooner it does the better.And it wouldn't surprise me if these horrific stringent regulations are only just bringing the USA into the same tier as the rest of the developed world.The economy of the USA doesn't depend on coal mining, I would be pretty surprised if this even makes a 0.1% dent in things.
There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000)
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on November 10, 2014, 06:18:50 AMQuote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 06:10:30 AMGod damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh? How about read some news for once? These stringent EPA regulations are going to cost the shutdown 32 coal plants with the possibility of 36 othershttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.htmlMarch saw the LOSS of over 7,000 mining jobs as well, because of the EPA's harsh regulationshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/coal-mining-jobs-free-fall-after-epa-regsGo on, keep playing the stupid card and think the economy is going to be fine. Because in the real world, away from your dogmatic beliefs the fact is the economy is going to collapse if the EPA doesn't back the hell offShutting down coal plants is a good thing.Sure it's a real bitch for the communities that depend upon them, but the world needs to move past fossil fuels and the sooner it does the better.And it wouldn't surprise me if these horrific stringent regulations are only just bringing the USA into the same tier as the rest of the developed world.The economy of the USA doesn't depend on coal mining, I would be pretty surprised if this even makes a 0.1% dent in things.*facedesks*http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_and_jobs_in_the_United_States#Total_coal-related_jobsQuoteThere are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000)174,000. 174,000 people EMPLOYED that you're telling "oh well, figure it out yourself" that doesn't even include wives, parents, and children who rely on these people for income. The U6 unemployment rate is over 10% and you're adding more people to this number with no way to secure a jobGuess what? We can easily relieve dependence of fossil fuels WITHOUT displacing more people because of job loss. How you say? Tell the EPA to get off the back of industries like coal, but at the same time approve government subsidiaries, grants, and tax breaks to companies in the purpose of alternate energy and the development of thatWhat this allows is for people to keep their jobs but at the same time the growth of an industry to act as a safety net as the technology has been created and the cost has decreases to provide for a market.Farmers cultivate different plots of lands so they always have something growing in order to give them some money. This is the same concept you need to use
Quote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 06:38:26 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on November 10, 2014, 06:18:50 AMQuote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 06:10:30 AMGod damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh? How about read some news for once? These stringent EPA regulations are going to cost the shutdown 32 coal plants with the possibility of 36 othershttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.htmlMarch saw the LOSS of over 7,000 mining jobs as well, because of the EPA's harsh regulationshttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/12/coal-mining-jobs-free-fall-after-epa-regsGo on, keep playing the stupid card and think the economy is going to be fine. Because in the real world, away from your dogmatic beliefs the fact is the economy is going to collapse if the EPA doesn't back the hell offShutting down coal plants is a good thing.Sure it's a real bitch for the communities that depend upon them, but the world needs to move past fossil fuels and the sooner it does the better.And it wouldn't surprise me if these horrific stringent regulations are only just bringing the USA into the same tier as the rest of the developed world.The economy of the USA doesn't depend on coal mining, I would be pretty surprised if this even makes a 0.1% dent in things.*facedesks*http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_and_jobs_in_the_United_States#Total_coal-related_jobsQuoteThere are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000)174,000. 174,000 people EMPLOYED that you're telling "oh well, figure it out yourself" that doesn't even include wives, parents, and children who rely on these people for income. The U6 unemployment rate is over 10% and you're adding more people to this number with no way to secure a jobGuess what? We can easily relieve dependence of fossil fuels WITHOUT displacing more people because of job loss. How you say? Tell the EPA to get off the back of industries like coal, but at the same time approve government subsidiaries, grants, and tax breaks to companies in the purpose of alternate energy and the development of thatWhat this allows is for people to keep their jobs but at the same time the growth of an industry to act as a safety net as the technology has been created and the cost has decreases to provide for a market.Farmers cultivate different plots of lands so they always have something growing in order to give them some money. This is the same concept you need to use Hmm, you actually have some good points there <.<It just seems that this sudden axing of jobs would have been less of a problem if the states had signed up to the kyoto protocol all those years ago. Then you would have had the time to make the transitions, rather than reaching the 'oh shit' point, and having to take more drastic measures to counter the problem.I would however, put the lives of all the people living on the coasts worldwide above the jobs of coal workers. When the sea level rises, it's GG for a fucktonne of people. The bigger picture is what is at stake here though, 200,000 jobs or several million lives?Normally I'd be linking the shit out of this post, but since my internet has gone back to dial up quality I'm surprised I can still post on here.So ya, Both of you have raised good points <.<I would still put greater importance on not having the planet go completely balls up though.
because it's counter-productive as costing people jobs translate into MORE pollution
God damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh?
Quote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 08:24:12 AMbecause it's counter-productive as costing people jobs translate into MORE pollutionThe first bit is good, but how does firing workers mean more pollution?
Quote from: Kinder on November 10, 2014, 06:10:30 AMGod damn you fucktards love to put words in people's mouths, huh?Well. . . No. You did, quite literally, accuse the EPA of wanting to destroy the economy.
Still can't believe the US never signed the Kyoto Protocol.Oh wait, I can.... god damn USA.
For some it is a victorious conclusion. The 37 industrial nations that stuck with the protocol after the US pulled out in 2005 say they exceeded their promises, cutting their emissions for the period from 2008 to 2012 to an average of 16 per cent below 1990 levels, compared with the 4.7 per cent promised in the agreement.But the protocol only ever applied to rich industrialised nations. Most of the cuts came from Eastern European countries when their economies collapsed after the fall of the Berlin Wall - reductions that would have happened anyway.
phase 2 contains the same fundamental loophole as the first deal. Too many rich countries have met their targets by moving their carbon-intensive industries, such as steel and aluminium manufacturing, offshore to nations not covered by the protocol.
because of the EPA's harsh regulations
I care a ton about the environment[...]The planet is fine
Quote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 12:01:08 PMI care a ton about the environment[...]The planet is fine...uh...
Quote from: Mad Max on November 10, 2014, 01:02:42 PMQuote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 12:01:08 PMI care a ton about the environment[...]The planet is fine...uh...I'm still walking around on it. I can still go outside and see a beautiful fall landscape.
Quote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 01:36:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on November 10, 2014, 01:02:42 PMQuote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 12:01:08 PMI care a ton about the environment[...]The planet is fine...uh...I'm still walking around on it. I can still go outside and see a beautiful fall landscape.....If that's how you define something as large and complex as our planet and it's ecology, you need some serious help.
Quote from: IcyWind on November 10, 2014, 01:38:22 PMQuote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 01:36:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on November 10, 2014, 01:02:42 PMQuote from: PSU on November 10, 2014, 12:01:08 PMI care a ton about the environment[...]The planet is fine...uh...I'm still walking around on it. I can still go outside and see a beautiful fall landscape.....If that's how you define something as large and complex as our planet and it's ecology, you need some serious help.I need help because I appreciate the earth's beauty while continuing to value jobs?